Pontifical Mass in the Vetus Ordo (Extraordinary Form) for pilgrims on the occasion of the tenth anniversary of 'Summorum Pontificum' inside St. Peter's Basilica, Sept. 16, 2017 (photo: Edward Pentin)
Posted on 07/22/2021 5:21:56 PM PDT by ebb tide
Chairman Joseph Shaw says he hopes the society’s guidance will lead to calm and reasoned discussion of Pope Francis’ apostolic letter.
Pontifical Mass in the Vetus Ordo (Extraordinary Form) for pilgrims on the occasion of the tenth anniversary of 'Summorum Pontificum' inside St. Peter's Basilica, Sept. 16, 2017 (photo: Edward Pentin)
July 22, 2021
VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis’ new decree restricting the traditional Latin Mass can be interpreted in such a way that it is “perfectly reasonable” for bishops to allow existing arrangements for celebration of the older form of the Roman rite to continue in their dioceses, and for lay faithful to continue attending such Masses.
This is according to a canonical assessment issued this week by the Latin Mass Society (LMS) of England and Wales, which aims to give indications on what the decree — an apostolic letter issued motu proprio called Traditionis Custodes (Guardians of Tradition) — means in terms of the canonical obligations on bishops and priests.
The LMS paper, written in consultation with expert canonists, further asserts that the apostolic letter does not abrogate the 1962 Roman Missal, and thus leaves the right of priests to celebrate it intact even though it does regulate the way this right can be exercised.
(Excerpt) Read more at ncregister.com ...
Turning to parish churches, it notes that the “most surprising thing” about Article 3 is its second clause ruling that groups wishing to celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass cannot use parish churches. But here the society asserts that a bishop need not apply the restriction if he cannot find an alternative venue for the group and could cite Canon 87.1 in such instances. That canon states that a bishop can dispense with particular disciplinary laws if he “judges that it contributes to their spiritual good” to do so.
According to Michael Dunnigan, a canonist who lives and works in Indiana, this issue has become “a lively discussion among canonists.” He told the Register that “opinions vary, but the Latin Mass Society is far from alone in suggesting the possible use of dispensations here. Indeed, some bishops already seem to have issued just such measures so as to allow celebrations to continue in their current locations.”
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“Regulates Not Abrogrates”
Doesn’t even do that. He isn’t pope. It’s just the demonic musings of an unemployed old Jesuit with no standing.
I admire the LMS’s loophole-seeking and hair-splitting on this, and we certainly have to do what we can with the hand we’ve been dealt. And just as every leftist/modernist bishop in the world seems to do with directives that they dislike, simply ignoring it is an option. The success of any and all of these tactics, I guess, depends to some extent on Bergoglio’s longevity and to what extent that he and his henchmen really want to play hardball. At what point is it, “Listen up, Mr. Bishop of Winnemucca, shut down your diocesan TLM immediately or submit your resignation”? Stay tuned...
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but how much longer?
Bergoglio (both as archbishop and later as pope) is known for violating canon law (the prohibition of washing womens’ feet on Holy Thursday) and then later on as pope, eliminating the same law.
Or changing canon law (capital punishmennt).
So there is that concern.
Why can’t they simply ignore this evil “Pope’ and carry on as before?
They should ignore his demonic motu proprio.
St. Augustine states, “An unjust law is no law at all”. And St. Thomas Aquinas concurred.
In the near term, I think that situation is going to vary greatly among dioceses based on two main factors:
(1) The biggest factor, I suspect, is how strong the TLM community already is. If you saw the photos on Rod Dreher’s page the other day, the TLM St Rita’s in Alexandra, VA, was absolutely jam packed with young, enthusiastic, upscale young professionals this past Sunday. It’s going to be much hard to shut that down than a poorly attended, backwater TLM attended by a few dozen people.
(2) The other factor is the TLM-friendliness and orthodoxy of the bishop. If the bishop is rare good guy, he’s going to do what he can to evade Bergoglio. If the bishop is a spiteful gay itching for a fight with trads and conservatives and happy to see them leave and never come back, watch out.
Good answer and I agree.
I think it violates canon law.
What violates canon law? And which law(s)?
I don’t understand the verbal gymnastics here. Help?
Basically, they’re saying Bergoglio’s motu is so poorly presented, bishops could technically continue as they have been by citing different canon laws.
Good! 👊
And Bishop Paprocki has just done that.
P.S. The good bishop is also a canon lawyer.
“He isn’t pope. It’s just the demonic musings of an unemployed old Jesuit with no standing.”
True. Pretty much. “Fraud vitiates the most solemn contracts, documents, and even judgments.”
UNITED STATES v. THROCKMORTON, 1878.
Like most liberal agenda items, they will pursue their goal until it is accomplished.
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