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Why The Septuagint Is Superior To The Masoretic Text
6/7/2021 | Its All Over Except...

Posted on 06/07/2021 5:23:12 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...

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To: Cronos
A little dig?

HMMMmmm..

I'll have to conjure up a Crocodile Dundee type of, "That's not a knife...", dig - just to make him you proud to be right.

181 posted on 06/14/2021 4:45:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
Let's see - your post #94 "So; you read Greek; eh?" is a good example

Really?

I've learned so much from my copy of the Septuagint.

So; you read Greek; eh?


 

So many times Catholics cry about context; then they don't use it when they should.

 

What your poor, tortured soul sees as a 'dig', others might see as an admiring

statement of an individuals higher learning; for most of us with any knowledge at all

KNOWS the Septuagint is a GREEK translation of the OT.

 

And; since this whole thread is about TRANSLATIONS and the quality of them,

any person able to read the SOURCE language would be highly valued.

 

Oh well; iffn ya can't understand the Vulgate; one must rely upon a less accurate

English version.

182 posted on 06/14/2021 4:58:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
In the 1500's, some Roman Catholics had argued for an one-perfect-translation-only view [the Latin Vulgate]. They claimed the Latin Vulgate was perfect and even superior to God's Word in the original languages. This view was represented by a 1582 book entitled A Discovery of the Manifold Corruptions of the Holy Scriptures by the Heretics of our Day by Gregory Martin, one of the Roman Catholic translators of the Rheims.
 
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=7470
 
 

183 posted on 06/14/2021 5:12:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Don't worry Elsie.

Some folks say my cackle ain't funny either.



184 posted on 06/14/2021 5:23:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN

You’d probably diss someone too; if they were poking your cart drawing animal with a sharp stick!


185 posted on 06/14/2021 5:36:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HarleyD; Cronos

A question that comes to my mind is what is the first born son of Mary? Do you believe this son of Mary was God in His deity, humanity, or both? Is He not the eternal God?


186 posted on 06/14/2021 5:42:15 AM PDT by rwa265
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To: Elsie

Incarnation...duh....something I put “In” my “Carnation” instant breakfast drink?

Incarnation....a nation that drives around “incars”?

Though I read that Arias and some early church folks had issues grappling with the issue...

I just take it literally...God in flesh....and I’ll trust to let God in three persons handle the details of how it all works. Jesus said before Abraham was, I am..(makes a nice rhyme in the English translations...the fact of which, at least a fact I personally believe, was no coincidence of occurrence!
To co-op a line from a Neil Diamond song...” Before Abraham...”(dada daah dadaah...) “I AM Christ cried...”(dada daah dadaah!)


187 posted on 06/14/2021 6:02:59 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: rwa265

Yup...the translations into English do say..”firstborn” not “only son”...don’t they?Hmmmmm...


188 posted on 06/14/2021 6:05:03 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Elsie; chuckles

Nah Elsie - everyone see’s your posts as fluff. If you want to be taken seriously, then read the article and respond to it with sense - you could have asked chuckles politely if he could read Greek and whether it was Koine greek


189 posted on 06/14/2021 7:00:59 AM PDT by Cronos ( )
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To: mdmathis6

Oops! firstborn, not first born.


190 posted on 06/14/2021 7:28:27 AM PDT by rwa265
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To: rwa265

In John 14 we hear Jesus tell the disciples soon to be Apostles that ‘from now on you have seen the Father.’ The only place these men could see God The Father was where He was in their limits well ... as Jesus. And since we are told that The Father is Spirit and must be worshipped in spirit, we can deduce that God With Us is The Almighty God IN the human spirit of Jesus empowering His works. Had Jesus NOT had a human spirit He could not be tempted as we are. BUT GOD had His Spirit Life in the human spirit of Jesus.


191 posted on 06/14/2021 7:37:49 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Cronos
Nah Elsie - everyone see’s your posts as fluff.

Better get your seeing-eye dog some new glasses.

192 posted on 06/14/2021 7:32:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos; chuckles
...you could have asked chuckles politely if he could read Greek and whether it was Koine greek...

And just WHY would I do that?

He posted:

To: Its All Over Except ...
I just wanted to say I agree with you and God bless for having the stamina to tackle this subject. I've learned so much from my copy of the Septuagint. I have one question you might know that I've never gotten a satisfactory answer for.

Why was Maccabees removed from the KJV and left out of later translations? It seems it was in the KJV as late as the 1800's then dropped. I've gotten 50 different answers but most make no sense. Everything from saving paper and ink to the British wanting to hide it from the unruly colonists talking revolution. What say you?

34 posted on 6/8/2021, 1:50:02 AM by chuckles


 

HE could have supplied the info that he was reading an imperfect English translation of it; but he didn't.

NOW the question becomes, "Was there an ultior motive?"


193 posted on 06/14/2021 7:42:47 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Better get your seeing-eye dog some new glasses.

Ok, I'll take you to the veterinary ophthalmologist. be a good boy

194 posted on 06/15/2021 12:45:30 AM PDT by Cronos ( )
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To: Cronos

Is this a dig?


195 posted on 06/15/2021 4:37:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

 

To: Its All Over Except ...; chuckles; MHGinTN; ADSUM
And given several are passages that deal with the Lord and Savior Jesus Crust and given the Masoretes had an anti-Christ agenda and were working with corrupted scrolls, we toss the MT now.

For me it is strange that many non-Catholic groups take the Masoretic texts and reject the Septuagint, when the MT as you correctly point out was a post 70 AD explicitly anti-Jesus movement agenda

A Bible without the Apocrypha is like buying a book with an important section missing from it! Why would anyone in their right mind do that? The Apocryphal books are invaluable in my opinion and add important details to events in our Bibles.

45 posted on 6/8/2021, 6:28:08 AM by Cronos ( )


 
 
 

To: Elsie

Can’t you read the article before commenting?

100 posted on 6/10/2021, 9:16:28 AM by Cronos ( )


 

 

 

196 posted on 06/15/2021 4:40:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
For me it is strange that many non-Catholic groups take the Masoretic texts and reject the Septuagint, when the MT as you correctly point out was a post 70 AD explicitly anti-Jesus movement agenda

They were anti-chrst Zionists! Is that when they started fluoridating the water and "creating money out of nothing?"

A Bible without the Apocrypha is like buying a book with an important section missing from it! Why would anyone in their right mind do that? The Apocryphal books are invaluable in my opinion and add important details to events in our Bibles.

You're a higher critic who doesn't even believe what happened in Genesis. Why do you need more books to not believe in?

197 posted on 06/15/2021 7:10:34 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Nuke Davos.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Stop your antisemitism.

Zionists are not, as you call them, antichrist.


198 posted on 06/15/2021 3:40:49 PM PDT by Cronos ( )
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To: rwa265; Cronos

Jesus was the Son of God. A better question is if Christ is the Son of God, does this make Mary the Mother of God in that same sense?


199 posted on 06/15/2021 5:06:18 PM PDT by HarleyD (Dr E-"There are very few shades of grey.")
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To: HarleyD; rwa265

Jesus was and is the Son of God not in the same sense that an earthly man is the father ie progenitor of a son.

Jesus is the Word of God, not a creation, but part of God in the same way your voice is part of you yet not you. Jesus is the Word of God, the means by which the ineffable father interacts with the material world.

Mary is the mother, the womb bearer of the Son, her creator, her God.

My mother didn’t create me, God did. The same for you.


200 posted on 06/15/2021 8:54:33 PM PDT by Cronos ( )
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