URGENT: Pope tells Italian Bishops he plans to abolish the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum

Rorate Caeli ^ | May 25, 2021 | New Catholic

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URGENT: Pope tells Italian Bishops he plans to abolish the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum

An urgent news item by our friends at Messa in Latino, the Pope spoke on the matter yesterday to the Italian bishops during the portion of the Italian Conference of Bishops' meeting in which the assembly was closed to the media:

It is, for the moment, still fragmentary news, coming from our multiple sources within the CEI [Italian Conference of Bishops] and bishops, but it seems that yesterday (May 24, 2021) the Pope, addressing the Italian bishops at the opening of the annual assembly of the CEI ( and in a subsequent meeting with a group of them), announced the imminent reform for the worse of the Motu proprio Summorum Pontificum.

 

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From what is known, it would be a return to the indult -- with a prior authorization of the bishop [as under the motu proprio Ecclesia Dei], or of the Vatican -- with all that it entails, that is, a reintroduction of the prohibition of the celebration according to the Missal of St John XXIII, so many denials of authorizations, and the ghettoization, in practice, of the priests and faithful attached to the old rite. After Moses, the Liberator, Pharaoh returns. [Source]

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Major Bad News Ping

[SubMareener]

Is it possible to say what this means in English a non-Catholic could understand?

[Mr. K]

It means it’s improper for the pontiff to motorboat someone

[Retrofitted]

Long story short? Franky is going to kill older versions of the Mass, especially the Latin celebration, likely in favor of his “new and improved” version. This is a direct counter to His Holiness Benedictine’s decision to let the local parishes decide which mass they wanted to use to celebrate Christ.

[Skywise]

Basically you have the Latin service that the church has for millennia that was reworked in the 60s to be modernized and, some say, tos evil arose the church.

In 2007 John Paul wrote a letter - the Summorum Pontificum that allowed priests to perform the original Latin mass which the modernists in the church despised.

Now the not-Pope wants to abolish that and force everyone to use the secularized service.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summorum_Pontificum

[Larry Lucido]

I knew it!

[irishjuggler]

It was Benedict XVI who liberated the Latin Mass on 7-7-07.

Bergoglio thinks he can kill off Latin Mass, and he thinks it’s even within his power to do so, but it’s not. This will be his ultimate folly and undoing. Take it to the bank.

To quote Pius V, he will bring down upon himself the wrath of Almighty God and the Saints Peter and Paul:

“Accordingly, no one whosoever is permitted to infringe or rashly contravene this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, direction, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree and prohibition. Should any person venture to do so, let him understand that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.”

[viewfromthefrontier]

Bergoglio thinks he can kill off Latin Mass, and he thinks it’s even within his power to do so, but it’s not. This will be his ultimate folly and undoing.

Your comment gives me pause. This could cause a huge rift in the Church.

I know there's already a rift, but to renege on this Summorum Poniticum would have a major ripple effect, in my opinion.

[kenmcg]

This Pope is either the pagan pope or the devil’s pope, take your choice.

[Renfrew]

Can someone explain to a non-Catholic why this matters? Jesus didn’t speak Latin, the Bible wasn’t written in Latin, and no one speaks it anymore. Why is Latin so important?

[lastchance]

It means “All your Mass are belong to us.”

[Marchmain]

As I said on March 13, 2013, this is a disaster.

[Revel]

Well the pope already abolished God.

[steve86]

This is WAR on traditional Catholics (and traditional Catholicism).

[steve86]

It’s not just the language. It’s the way the Mass was for many centuries. The contemporary Mass is an inferior, corrupted form.

[Romulus]

Jesus didn’t speak English either. The language didn’t even exist until almost 1,500 years after the Church was founded and the canon of the Bible completed. Latin provides universality and historical continuity, especially with the See of Rome, founded by the apostles Peter and Paul. Latin’s being a dead language means that it’s stable: grammar and vocabulary don’t change, so it’s possible to communicate with different nations and centuries, on a neutral basis. Latin is still well understood by those who have a stake in the universal character of the Church. If you want to be an airline pilot, you learn English. If you want to be in touch with the Church’s self-understanding in her earliest centuries, you learn Greek and Latin.

PS: The modern Mass in English is not just a translation of the ancient liturgy. It is entirely re-worked, in some sections re-composed from scratch. It represents a massive rupture with Catholic tradition. Which was kind of the point. Catholics in search of authenticity and continuity consider this to be a huge deal. Catholics who are OK with a re-booting of the Church 2.0 in 1965 don’t.

[Bayard]

1) Jesus quite probably did speak Latin. He almost certainly knew Greek, but being God He would have known the common languages in the Roman world. He spoke to several Romans.

2) The Bible survived in the West precisely because it was translated into Latin and thus greatly helped Christian unity in the West.

3) People do in fact speak Latin, but every document of the Church until recently was written first in Latin. The New Vatican II Mass was also written in Latin. It is only translated for common languages.

The older Mass contains far more devotions to God in it. If you know what the Mass is, you know how distorted the New Mass is by comparison.

[libertylover]

Make The Pope Catholic Again.

[piusv]

I am sure the “real” pope will intervene.... /s