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Why Purgatory Is a Dangerous Doctrine
Christian Post ^ | 11/21/2017 | Dan Delzell

Posted on 04/27/2021 5:25:46 AM PDT by Old Yeller

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To: metmom

Dont see the word ONLY, just that it is profitable

181 posted on 04/28/2021 5:27:49 AM PDT by FreshPrince (P )
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To: Bulwyf

Break one commandment once, break them all. Or are you suggesting a venial/mortal sin vis a ve Catholic/Protestant?

182 posted on 04/28/2021 5:29:26 AM PDT by FreshPrince (P )
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To: metmom

Born again thru WATER...not “accepting Jesus Christ as your personal lord and savior” - He didnt say that ...

183 posted on 04/28/2021 5:30:58 AM PDT by FreshPrince (P )
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To: metmom

184 posted on 04/28/2021 5:33:16 AM PDT by FreshPrince (P )
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To: HarleyD

“I suppose you could compare it to a student working on a project to gain “extra credit” to make up for some bad grades” is a misstatement. I stand by my original post.

185 posted on 04/28/2021 6:33:50 AM PDT by al_c (Democrats: Party over Common Sense)
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To: MurphsLaw
"Your not describing another world...just periods of time within a world... Christ clearly indicates another world- and not an instantaneous world... where by we are cleansed of sin... as in this world.."

No, and you are blowing smoke, for rather than any clearly indication of Purgatory,

1. The millennial reign of Christ is in the age to come on this earth after His return to this earth, not an instantaneous new world, but which reign leads to the new earth after the Lord Jesus has subdued all His enemies. Zechariah 14:4; Matthew 19:28; Acts 2:34-35; 1 Corinthians 15:28; Jude 1:14,14' Revelation 2:27; 19:14-20:7-15; 21:1) I can show you more if needed.

2. The word for "world" in the verse (Mt. 12:32) you quoted (aiōn) means age.

3. Catholics believe that Purgatory existed before the time of Christ, that sins that can be forgiven in the next life, and thus it is not an age to come.

4. Since that Christ shall reign on earth with saints over unconverted souls in an age to come is what is clearly taught, then there is not even any warrant for a Purgatory doctrine.

"5 Descriptive and Clear Bible Passages About Purgatory Origen, St. Irenaeus...,"

Yada yada... resorting to the uninspired writings of ancients who adopted false believes is a tacit admission that Purgatory is not actual taught in Scripture. Instead, as with compromised Jews, this was adopted from paganism and was a development, not a doctrine believed in Biblical times by the faithful. Thus leading to such practices as one that,

arose in the 12th century among Ashkenazim of the Rhineland, who kept lists of their dead in Memorbücher and recited the Kaddish to help the dead through the interim period of purification after death. According to the French historian [and prolific author specializing in the Middle Ages] Jacques Le Goff, the conception of purgatory as a physical place dates to the 12th century, the heyday of medieval otherworld-journey narratives and of pilgrims’ tales about St. Patrick’s Purgatory, a cavelike entrance to purgatory on a remote island in northern Ireland. As late as 1220, however, Caesarius of Heisterbach, a Cistercian monk and preacher, thought that purgatory could be in several places at once. With his Purgatorio, in which the “second kingdom” of the afterlife is a seven-story mountain situated at the antipodes to Jerusalem, Dante Alighieri (1265–1321) created a poetic synthesis of theology, Ptolemaic cosmology, and moral psychology depicting the gradual purification of the image and likeness of God in the human soul. (

Jacques Le Goff also attests,

PRAYERS FOR THE DEAD Christians seem to have acquired the habit of praying for their dead at a very early date. This was an innovation... These practices developed around the beginning of the Christian era. They were a phenomenon of the times, particularly noticeable in Egypt, the great meeting ground for peoples and religions. Traveling in Egypt around 50 s.c., Diodorus of Sicily was struck by the funerary customs: "As soon as the casket containing the corpse is placed on the bark, the survivors call upon the infernal gods and beseech them to admit the soul to the place received for pious men. The crowd adds its own cheers, together with pleas that the deceased be allowed to enjoy eternal life in Hades, in the society of the good."... It then becomes clear that at the time of Judas Maccabeus--around 170 s.c., a surprisingly innovative period—prayer for the dead was not practiced, but that a century later it was practiced by certain Jews. The Birth of Purgatory By Jacques Le Goff. pp. 45,46 , transcribed using

Moreover, while you appeal to tradition, besides there being different beliefs about a purgatory for over a thousand years, the tradition-intensive EOs treject RC Purgatory:

The Orthodox Church opposes the Roman doctrines of universal papal jurisdiction, papal infallibility, purgatory, and the Immaculate Conception precisely because they are untraditional." - Orthodox apologist and author Clark Carlton: THE WAY: What Every Protestant Should Know About the Orthodox Church, 1997, p 135.

Both purgatory and indulgences are inter-corrolated theories, unwitnessed in the Bible or in the Ancient Church.. —

The Orthodox Church does not believe in purgatory (a place of purging), that is, the inter-mediate state after death in which the souls of the saved (those who have not received temporal punishment for their sins) are purified of all taint preparatory to entering into Heaven, where every soul is perfect and fit to see God.

Also, the Orthodox Church does not believe in indulgences as remissions from purgatoral punishment. Both purgatory and indulgences are inter-corrolated theories, unwitnessed in the Bible or in the Ancient Church, and when they were enforced and applied they brought about evil practices at the expense of the prevailing Truths of the Church. If Almighty God in His merciful loving-kindness changes the dreadful situation of the sinner, it is unknown to the Church of Christ. The Church lived for fifteen hundred years without such a theory. —

"2 Maccabees 12:44-45 For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. [45] But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin. (cf. 1 Cor 15:29) The Jews offered atonement and prayer for their deceased brethren, who had clearly violated Mosaic Law. Such a practice presupposes purgatory, since those in heaven wouldn’t need any help, and those in hell are beyond it."

Rather, these were not Biblical Jews, and 2 Maccabees 12 is not teaching RC Purgatory, for,

1. In RC theology, Purgatory is only for the elect, those who are certain to be saved, but need to make further expiation for venial, non-mortal sin and attain the level of purification needed to enter Heaven. However, those in 2 Mac. 12 specifically died because they were card-carrying (amulet) idolators, which is a moral sin, which excludes one from Purgatory. "Now under the coats of every one that was slain they found things consecrated to the idols of the Jamnites, which is forbidden the Jews by the law. Then every man saw that this was the cause wherefore they were slain...they saw before their eyes the things that came to pass for the sins of those that were slain" - 2 Maccabees 12:40,42), for whom according to Rome there is no hope.

Thus RCs must resort to special pleading that maybe they repented in their dying moments, or they simply carried these amulets like baseball card, yet these souls died due to idolatry.

As for support of purification after death, 2 Maccabees 12:38-46 does not teach that these souls were experiencing postmortem purification, for the offering that was made for them was in order that they may be in the resurrection (of the just) which those in Purgatory are said to already be assured of, and not that they may escape from purgatory. "And when he had made a gathering throughout the company to the sum of two thousand drachms of silver, he sent it to Jerusalem to offer a sin offering, doing therein very well and honestly, in that he was mindful of the resurrection: For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should have risen again, it had been superfluous and vain to pray for the dead." (2 Maccabees 12:43-44)

Also, as for these Maccabean Jews, a Jewish site tells us that the rededication of the Temple was,

led by Judas Maccabeus, third son of Mattathias the Hasmonean, whose successors established the Hasmonean high priesthood dynasty. But which were not a valid high priesthood due to invalid lineage, (Genesis 49:10) being not of the lineage of David, as the Zadoks were, and their line ended up opening the door to the Roman conquest. Their control ended when Herod eliminated every male in the Hasmonean line. (Though The Herodian Dynasty had Hasmonean blood thru two sons and two daughters. through Mariamne.) Due to the unpopularity of its founders, Hanukkah itself came to be largely ignored within a few decades after its origins. Then when Rome’s crushing power began to be felt in Palestine, the people recognized in Hanukkah a message of hope that new Maccabees would rise and independence would be restored. - The Hasmonean Dynasty | My Jewish Learning

"1 Corinthians 3:11-15 For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [12] Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw – [13] each man's work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. [14] If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. [15] If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. This is a clear and obvious allusion to purgatory."

Do you actually read what I posted to you? There is a whole section showing what this premise is simply untenable, esp since it does not occur until the Lord returns. In short:

Wherever Scripture clearly speak of the next conscious reality for believers then it is with the Lord, (Lk. 23:43 [cf. 2Cor. 12:4; Rv. 2:7]; Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17) Note in the latter case all believers were assured that if the Lord returned, which they expected in their lifetime, so would they “ever be with the Lord,” though they were still undergoing growth in grace, as was Paul. (Phil. 3:7f)

And the next transformative experience that is manifestly taught is that of being like Christ in the resurrection. (1Jn. 3:2; Rm. 8:23; 1Co 15:53,54; 2Co. 2-4) At which time is the judgment seat of Christ, which is the only suffering after this life, which does not begin at death, but awaits the Lord's return, (1 Corinthians 4:5; 2 Timothy. 4:1,8; Revelation 11:18; Matthew 25:31-46; 1 Peter 1:7; 5:4) and is the suffering of the loss of rewards (and the Lord's displeasure) due to the manner of material one built the church with, which one is saved despite the loss of such, not because of. (1 Corinthians 3:8ff)

"Thus thought St. Cyprian, St. Ambrose, St. Jerome, Pope St. Gregory the Great, Origen, and St. Augustine, who wrote with his usual insight: "

Which uninspired errors further attest to the accretion of doctrines of men, of distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed (which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels).

"An aside ther is an abundance of scriptural evidence for purgatory led to a consensus among the Church fathers: summarized by Protestant church historian Philip Schaff: These views of the middle state in connection with prayers for the dead show a strong tendency to the Roman Catholic doctrine of Purgatory. " And which is a prime example of such unScriptural error! For while the Holy Spirit records approx. 200 prayers in Scripture in exampling and teaching how to pray and exhorting the same, there are zero prayers to Heaven anywhere in Scripture addressed to anyone in Heaven but God, except by pagans.

Thus those who vainly attempt to actually support the vain tradition of Prayer to created beings in Heaven from Scripture cannot show:

1. Even one example where anyone prayed to anyone in Heaven but the Lord, amid the approx. 200 prayers the Holy Spirit recorded for us in Scripture.

2. Any instruction on prayer to Heaven in which the addressee is anyone God, versus a created being in Heaven.

3. Even one example in which anyone in Heaven but God regularly hear and respond to prayers addressed to them, (elders and angels offering prayers in memorial as a preclude to judgment will not do), versus the Lord Jesus being the only unceasing Heavenly intercessor. (1 Tim. 2:5)

4. One example in which anyone from Heaven but God communicated with those on earth without both being personally present in the same realm.

5. One example in which earthly relations on earth have complete correspondence to those btwn created beings, in contrast to that not being the case.

6. Even one example of a common, necessary, fundamental doctrinal Christian practice for which the Holy Spirit does not provide even one single example, except by pagans in which it is condemned.

7. Even one example in which believers even sought the intercession of Mary on earth.

8. Even one example in which faithful believers kneel before other believers on earth in obeisance in sanctioned.

9. Why Catholics are exempt from the admonition not to think of mortals "above that which is written." (1Co. 4:6)

10. Even one example in which believers kneel before a statue and praise the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing attributes to such which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power and glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them

Which manner of adulation,as said, would constitute worship in Scripture , yet Catholics imagine that by playing word games then they can avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship.

Give it up, and may God peradventure grant you "repentance to the acknowledging of the truth." (2 Timothy 2:25)

186 posted on 04/28/2021 6:36:36 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: FreshPrince
"Same with Protestants....not only did they kill Catholic Christians, they also killed fellow Protestants"

Sadly true, however unlike you and your comrades we are not defending any "one true church" aside from the only one worthy of that title, since it only and always consists of true believers, while the organic fellowships in which believers are to be part of end up being admixtures of wheat and chaff.

Meanwhile you must defend a church, past and present, and must own all she taught as requiring assent. And there are many here who reject much of the latter and who long for a Catholic monarchy and the good ol days of the Inquisition and all its means, and thus silence all us who expose and reprove her fallacies:

Q. 539. What do we mean by the "temporal power" of the Pope?

A. By the temporal power of the Pope we mean the right which the Pope has as a temporal or ordinary ruler to govern the states and manage the properties that have rightfully come into the possession of the Church.

Q. 540. How did the Pope acquire and how was he deprived of the temporal power?

A. The Pope acquired the temporal power in a just manner by the consent of those who had a right to bestow it. He was deprived of it in an unjust manner by political changes. :

Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors): "[It is error to believe that] The (Catholic) Church has not the power of using force, nor has she any temporal power, direct or indirect." Section V, Errors Concerning the Church and Her Rights, #24. (

The penal jurisdiction of the medieval Church included, therefore, first the merely ecclesiastical offences, e.g. heresy, schism, apostasy, etc.; then the merely civil offences; finally the mixed offences, e.g. sins of the flesh, sacrilege, blasphemy, magic, perjury, usury, etc. In punishing offences of a purely ecclesiastical character the Church disposed unreservedly of the aid of the State for the execution of the penalty.

The Church has the right, as a perfect and independent society provided with all the means for attaining its end,...the right to admonish or warn its members, ecclesiastical or lay, who have not conformed to its laws and also, if needful to punish them by physical means, that is, coercive jurisdiction. — Catholic Encyclopedia Jurisdiction

Pope Innocent III, Cum ex Officii Nostri of 1207: In order altogether to remove the patrimony of St. Peter from heretics, we decree as a perpetual law, that whatsoever heretic, especially if he be a Patarene, shall be found therein, shall immediately be taken and delivered to the secular court to be punished according to the law.

All his goods also shall be sold, so that he who took him shall receive one part; another shall go the court which convicted him, and the third shall be applied to the building of prisons in the country wherein he was taken. The house, however, in which a heretic has been received shall be altogether destroyed, nor shall anyone presume to rebuild it; but let that which was a den of iniquity become a receptacle of filth. Moreover, their believers and defenders shall be fined one fourth part of their goods, which shall be applied to the service of the public. — Cum ex Officii Nostri Pope Innocent III, 1207, Inquisition, by Edward Peters, p. 49

Pope Innocent IV, Ad extirpanda:

(25) Those convicted of heresy by the aforesaid Diocesan Bishop,surrogate or inquisitors, shall be taken in shackles to the head of state or ruler or his special representative, instantly, or at least within five days, and the latter shall apply the regulations promulgated against such persons.{7} (26)The head of state or ruler must force all the heretics whom he has in custody,{8} provided he does so without killing them or breaking their arms or legs, as actual robbers and murderers of souls and thieves of the sacraments of God and Christian faith, to confess their errors and accuse other heretics whom they know, and specify their motives, {9} and those whom they have seduced, and those who have lodged them and defended them, as thieves and robbers of material goods are made to accuse their accomplices and confess the crimes they have committed.

Canons of the Ecumenical Fourth Lateran Council (canon 3), 1215:

Secular authorities, whatever office they may hold, shall be admonished and induced and if necessary compelled by ecclesiastical censure, that as they wish to be esteemed and numbered among the faithful, so for the defense of the faith they ought publicly to take an oath that they will strive in good faith and to the best of their ability to exterminate in the territories subject to their jurisdiction all heretics pointed out by the Church; so that whenever anyone shall have assumed authority, whether spiritual or temporal, let him be bound to confirm this decree by oath.

But if a temporal ruler, after having been requested and admonished by the Church, should neglect to cleanse his territory of this heretical foulness, let him be excommunicated by the metropolitan and the other bishops of the province. If he refuses to make satisfaction within a year, let the matter be made known to the supreme pontiff, that he may declare the ruler’s vassals absolved from their allegiance and may offer the territory to be ruled lay Catholics, who on the extermination of the heretics may possess it without hindrance and preserve it in the purity of faith;..

St. Thomas Aquinas (13th century).

there are unbelievers who at some time have accepted the faith, and professed it, such as heretics and all apostates: such should be submitted even to bodily compulsion, that they may fulfil what they have promised, and hold what they, at one time, received". — Living Tradition, Organ of the Roman Theological Forum,

“[It is error to believe that] Hence it has been wisely decided by law, in some Catholic countries, that persons coming to reside therein shall enjoy the public exercise of their own peculiar worship.” -- Allocution "Acerbissimum," Sept. 27, 1852. Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors), Issued in 1864, Section X (

"....Constitutions can be changed, and non-Catholic sects may decline to such a point that the political proscription [ban] of them may become feasible and expedient. What protection would they have against a Catholic state? What protection would they then have against a Catholic State? The latter could logically tolerate only such religious activities as were confined to the members of the dissenting group. It could not permit them to carry on general propaganda nor accord their organization certain privileges that had formerly been extended to all religious corporations, for example, exemption from taxation. [But] the danger of religious intolerance toward non-Catholics in the United States is so improbable and so far in the future that it should not occupy their time or attention." — The State and the Church (1922), pp.38,39, by Monsignor (and professor) John Augustine Ryan (1869–1945), imprimatur of Cardinal Hayes (

187 posted on 04/28/2021 6:46:55 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Bulwyf

Most catholics will never acknowledge how many millions of Christians their church killed. They will never admit that their leadership is trying to form up with Islam. They’re in deep denial. People are easily deceived. That’s why it’s so important to be reading God’s word, also not some man made jumbo.

I agree with you 100%. They make like it never happened. And yes, Islam and Catholicism are closer than many people believe.

188 posted on 04/28/2021 6:55:53 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: FreshPrince; Mark17; Luircin
Born of water is referring to the water at birth, the amniotic fluid. We can know this because Nicodemus understood it that wy and asked his obvious carnal question: "How can a man enter again ... and be born?"

Of course understanding the scriptures properly removes the empowerment scheme of the Roman religion because the Priestly 'sacrament' is no longer a requirement for Justification.

189 posted on 04/28/2021 6:57:49 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: FreshPrince

Jesus did not say what you are trying to have Him say. Red the passage in John 3 again. Try something different thn the DR perhps?

190 posted on 04/28/2021 7:03:37 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MurphsLaw

Stop digging Phil.

Why don’t you “dig” into Daniel and Revelation. Same in your bible, right?

191 posted on 04/28/2021 7:03:38 AM PDT by Philsworld
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You didn’t write this by yourself, my FRiend. The Holy Ghost taught it to you from His Word. Very well said!

192 posted on 04/28/2021 7:03:55 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

Indeed, He is due the credit for all.

193 posted on 04/28/2021 7:06:20 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: al_c
Yes, but who here is preaching a church excepts Catholics? Thus you must own all them she manifestly considers members, or be a schismatic yourself.


Why is that so hard to understand? Are you defending a "one true church" which manifestly counts even proabortion, prohomosexuality public figures as members in life and in death? With a liberal head? Do you deny that or interpret canon law contrary to her manifest understanding of it, or imagine that faith is defined simply by words, and not actions (cf. James 2:18)?

And who here (aside from a cultist) is defending any one church, vs. a faith?

194 posted on 04/28/2021 7:12:44 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: fjcroderick
"I wish to offer you the sincere opportunity to talk to a moderately well informed Catholic on the subject to privately clarify your misconceptions."

Go read - some - or - more - of - my - posts - here - so far on this thread then get back to me PUBLICLY as a moderately well informed Catholic on the subject.

195 posted on 04/28/2021 7:20:28 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

I noted that in the link provided with your text:

“are not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed”

On the web page that link goes to, ere is a section:

which is a discussion of distinctive Roman Catholic development of its church hierarchy, and in there is mention how that development, contrary to scripture, kept placing “leader” (continuously) over and above “servant” and how servant (to the flock) is the scriptural mode assigned to the apostles and those who followed them.

And, in that regard, I know from some acquaintance with it, that in the RCA (Reformed Chruch in America) the themes of “servant leader” and “servant leadership” are frequently invoked in matters describing the role of the church organization and those in organizational roles.

That much they have retained from THEIR “traditions” going back to the Reformation movement from which they developed.

I have been with them (I worked for them for awhile), and observed and participated in large gatherings meant to bring folks together on some important matters. There are of course persons known to be in organization leadership roles, but after some opening comments, and some pertinent scriptural reading, and a pastors comments about it, and a period of prayer, the open discussion that followed had no “leaders” other than maintaining order of the discussion. EVERYONE’s statements were accepted with the same respect, and after a day of this the goal was NOT to vote, but to reach a consensus, that all, putting aside their own preferences and accepting that not everything can have priority, could agree to.

It was interesting to witness, as even I, in my first large RCA meeting, was brand new to all but a couple of individuals in attendance (but I had been made known to all of them before hand) yet no one questioned my commenting on anything. In large and small groups, leaders did have organizational roles, but in discussion no one was leader in the sense of above others, all were equal servants striving to do what was best.

My sojourn with them was not as long as they and I first planned, but on a personal level my experience with them was a good one.

196 posted on 04/28/2021 7:20:29 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: FreshPrince

You’re your yore.

197 posted on 04/28/2021 7:29:49 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism. )
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To: Bulwyf

Islam and Catholicism share common Pagan beliefs. Behind the scenes, they are essentially the same religion. I think you would find this video very informative.

198 posted on 04/28/2021 7:33:36 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Luircin
Magically reading the minds and knowing the motives of 16th Century theologians

Magic ? not really... its all documented historical writings that all one has to do is ...Read about it.
The motives and desires of the "16th century theologians" is well documented- in the actions of Luther, Calvin and Henry VIII, et al., and exposes the natyre of their murderous, corrupt, and anti-semitic leanings of their "reform".
No Magic needed to understand that.
199 posted on 04/28/2021 7:37:55 AM PDT by MurphsLaw (“IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, - And the Word was made FLESH ”)
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To: metmom
Like Catholics actually obey the Sabbath?

You'd be surprised ! You've never been to a TLM Mass either I can tell. But yes we agree.... many just go through the motions missing the incredible Grace of having Jesus Christ- body, Blood Soul and Divinity available to them everyday. Ane there is Mass everyday you knucklehead ! You know that---
I only pasted the Didache text to document that the very First Christians did in fact believed definitively in Celebrating the Mass on the "Lord's Day"

For born again believers we consider every day of our lives to be a sacrifice to God in obedience to Him.

24/7 Jesus ??
No way ! who could live like that?
I would ask how that's workin out for ya... but no - deep down we all know better. We're ALL frauds... Me - you -everyone running around claiming "I'm with Jesus " ! Were just pretend Christians.... WHAT in our lives are we doing to truly imitate Christ -as Christ ? Sure were all "Good People".. but so can Atheist be good people. Good for you though... most of us fail the Lord daily, hourly and are unworthy of his Flesh

Some of us still have to go through the fear and trembling deal... and it aint pretty... and it aint about self-deception neither...
God have mercy on us all when he does pull the plug..
Christ gave su TWO Commandments - not one...They're inseparable to him....
200 posted on 04/28/2021 8:03:42 AM PDT by MurphsLaw (“IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, - And the Word was made FLESH ”)
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