Posted on 04/10/2021 7:32:49 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
There is no mention of any Rapture prior to the late 1700's to early 1800's.
And exactly what is happening? It's the Second Coming, not some secret Rapture.
Let us go back where we are taught what the Heavenly Father really thinks about the 'fly away' to save souls, program...
Ezekiel 13:1 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the Lord;
3 Thus saith the Lord God; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!
4 O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.
5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the Lord.
6 They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The Lord saith: and the Lord hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.
7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The Lord saith it; albeit I have not spoken?
8 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord God.
9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord God.
10 Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:
11 Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it.
12 Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it?
13 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it.
14 So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
15 Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it;
16 To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord God.
17 Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them,
18 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?
19 And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?
20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
23 Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
For those who have NOT read, Christ did 'declare', before one jot or tittle ever was placed upon plant material or animal skins or stone .... Mark 13:23 “But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.”
The 'fly away' doctrine did not come from the Heavenly Father, Christ, or Paul...
OH, for the unlearned, when Ezekiel spoke of 'ISREAL' that would have consisted of the '10 tribes', Christ called them the 'lost sheep of the House of Israel', it is not a reference to a piece of real estate. That 'land' was NEVER called Israel until after 1948.
If someone told you the rapture would be in secret, or that anyone else claimed the rapture would be in secret, they LIED to you.
AH, The Heavenly Father had HIS prophet Ezekiel dispels any notion of flying to save souls doctrine NOT coming from HIM... Come on people wake up and pay attention to what the Heavenly Father says... not unlearned loons on a quick like a bunny get out of trouble card.
You are behind the news ... more than 35 sources have been found which teach of the Rapture of The Church prior to 1300 AD. You could update your knowledge with a few visits to ‘pretrib.org’.
Why are you such a snarky, nasty, insulting jerk? YOU have NO power over the Written WORD, and yet you slash around like the tempter to Christ ... The Heavenly Father had HIS prophet record exactly what the Heavenly Father had to say about those that preach/promote a 'fly away to save a souls' doctrine ... IT is not a favorable report ... STOP with the stupid satanic 'cult' accusations... your boat does NOT float.
Phil is honest enough to tell us which religion he attaches to, so which cult are you connected to? ... And you would argue Paul should stop pointing out the ‘other religions’ which try to pretend Christianity. One way to defend the Gospel is to expose the false look-a-likes.
They were all innuendo’s - nothing whatever specific and they weren’t related to this Rapture.
Well Rapture theorists talk about Paul saying that he will tell you a secret, etc.
What part of I am ‘Christian’ is hard to comprehend? As far as I can tell your cult is in sink with that old accuser. Sure has No basis in the WORD of God and His only begotten son..
I have NO denominational affiliation... do you understand plain English?
That’s a lie. Don’t listen to liars!
You are a liar.
There was not yet any Church. The messengers spoke to men of Galilee, Jews, not members of the Church for the Day of Pentecost birth of the Ecclesia had not yet happened. In The Revelation of John we see the return of Messiah To The Jews, to rescue Israel and establish the Kingdom.
To the Church Jesus promised he was going to prepare a place for His Body of Believers and would return to gather the body of believers to himself and RETURN to the Father's House. With the establishing of the Kingdom, Jesus will be here on the Earth and The Revelation of JOhn shows that The Body of Christ Believers He is bringing with Him to be priests and kings during the 1000 years of the Kingdom on Earth.
This is illustrated graphically with Saul's conversion of the road to Ammaeus. Paul tells us he saw the risen Lord, but relates to us that the men with him did not see The Lord.
The thing is: Rapture or no Rapture, either way folks will be surprised.
When Jesus appeared int he Upper Room without going through a window or door, He was 'in the room' before He appeared to the Disciples, but this event, these appearances were all BEFORE the Day of Pentecost birth of the Church, so only those God allowed to see Jesus saw Him.
A careful study of the Greek describing the scene at the tomb indicates that Jesus left the burial wrappings without unwrapping them. Only the head covering was left to one side.
Jesus left the tomb without rolling away the stone. Scripture tells us the angel rolled away the stone to show the women come to anoint the body of Jesus that the tomb was empty.
When Jesus disappeared from the two travels with whom He broke bread, He left this natural four dimensional realm, entering a greater realm of reality. When Jesus returns in the air (not setting foot on the Earth at that time) He will speak into existence -in the greater dimensional realm- new created bodies and behavior mechanisms for those who have died in Christ. [ 1Thessalonians 4:13-17 ]
We who are alive and remain at that day will be transformed in a moment int he twinkling of an eye, to have bodies and behavior mechanisms which are not in this four dimensional realm, but which will allow us to see Him as He is in His Glorified state, for we shall be that glorified state.
Have you perchance read the passages which give all these details? Something WONDERFUL is coming soon to a planet near us! But that wonderful event will be the start of hellish conditions on earth in some countries as Christians are snatched away from the jobs we are tasked, like flying airplanes and driving semi trucks and conduction trains and driving SUVs on highways and byways and ships captaining and surgeries being done and electrical maintenance and ... well, you get the gist. Chaos will be the reality for those not changed and gathered into the clouds to meet the Glorified Christ in the air.
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Whether the Rapture is true or not people will be surprised one way or other.
Indeed so! See you in the clouds.
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