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Salvation is a free gift of God - Have confidence you are saved!
Teleios ^ | Teleios

Posted on 03/31/2021 8:42:15 AM PDT by Teleios Research

Be convinced of these 4 biblical truths: 1. Each of us has sinned; 2. God is just, requiring a punishment for sin; 3. But out of love God sent His Son, Jesus Christ who by dying on the cross, provided forgiveness of sins in taking man’s deserved punishment; 4. Therefore, by faith alone in Christ’s sacrifice for our sins and belief in His resurrection, man can gain eternal life. (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-10, Romans 3:21-26)


TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: christianity; gospel; salvation
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To: Texas_Guy

LOL ... one born every minute.


61 posted on 03/31/2021 7:29:08 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MurphsLaw
A more convoluted way to push salvation by works I doubt you could find. If you could you'd probably swallow that one.

Do you really believe The Creator of the Universe needs or even desirtes your flesh works to put HIS LIFE in your human spirit? Is your Catholic Org god so weak that he would need your help? Does your Jesus only have insufficient worth to guarantee He has paid your penalty for sin? Pssst, there is no such thing as purgatory where you can pay for your sins with your flesh or anything else, but that only applies to those who are trusting in The Lord Christ to be their sufficient Savior.

Salvation comes by faith ALONE in Christ Alone. You cannot add and are not required to add anything to the work the Supreme Creator of the Universe has done on your behalf. You do not and will not deserve ANY glory for the salvation GOD gives to you by HIS GRACE.

62 posted on 03/31/2021 7:37:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: GardenerForLife

Everyone already has salvation thanks to what Christ completed on the cross. All sin has been paid for. The only thing you can do is to reject it, and many do just that.


63 posted on 03/31/2021 7:41:59 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: MHGinTN

Thankful for completed work Jesus did on the cross! And the victory he gives!


64 posted on 03/31/2021 8:26:44 PM PDT by Hman528
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To: Hman528; SouthernClaire; metmom; boatbums; aMorePerfectUnion; ealgeone; imardmd1; Iscool
I wonder, what do these 'add on to The cross' teachers do with the clear words of Jesus in John 5:24

24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. NIV

24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. NKJV

24 `Verily, verily, I say to you -- He who is hearing my word, and is believing Him who sent me, hath life age-during, and to judgment he doth not come, but hath passed out of the death to the life. Young's Literal Translation

Wouldn't GOD know how we are to be saved and when it happens? Why would men like John Piper and John MacArthur ignore the clear teaching of Jesus?

I wonder, do they actually believe there are conditionals Jesus left out to trick people to believe and follow Him, before they could learn the conditions He did not give them then? Does God have a list of works we must do and He checks them off as we do them, to reach a point when He says, 'Okay, you pass. Enter into my rest.'? Are they subverted by the mythos of Peter standing at The Pearly Gates checking a book to see if we have done enough to earn or merit the Gift of God?

65 posted on 03/31/2021 10:08:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

Works are the wrong form of payment for sin, therefore do not count for salvation.

Even a causal reading of Scripture shows that God is interested in the heart above and beyond the outward actions.

Works mean nothing considering how well they can be done with the wrong motives.


66 posted on 03/31/2021 11:43:13 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Mom MD; metmom; Roman_War_Criminal; Hman528; faucetman

And you ignore what Jesus taught that you disagree with.

Your response was a personal opinion without any substance.

RWC comment: “John 6:29 shreds your posts - from the Lips of Jesus The Savior Himself.”

Yes belief in Jesus is very important and having true faith involves believing in all the teachings of Jesus.

And you ignore John 6:53 where Jesus tells us “unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.”

Romans 10:13 refers to Joel 2:32 The prophet envisions a time of judgement and salvation in the messianic age. This text was also the inspiration of Peter’s inaugural sermon in Acts 2:15 where calling the name of the Lord was linked to Baptism.

your comment: “baptism is not part of salvation it is the first step of obedience after your saved.”” we cant do anything to earn our way to heaven.”

Read Mark 16:16 Regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit refers to Baptism.(Titus)

Salvation springs entirely from the mercy and grace of God, but we either accept or reject it by our actions and words.

No one answered my question: “Does one have faith if they deny some of God’s Truths?”


67 posted on 03/31/2021 11:52:41 PM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: ADSUM
No one answered my question: “Does one have faith if they deny some of God’s Truths?”

Call no man “Father”.

And that doesn’t mean rationalize away disobedience simply because a child calls his male parent his father.

68 posted on 04/01/2021 12:04:51 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom

That was not an answer. It was protestant misinterpretation of the Bible.

I will stick with 2000 years of teachings of Jesus from His Catholic Church over protestant man-made versions of God’s Truth.


69 posted on 04/01/2021 12:14:19 AM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: Mom MD; aMorePerfectUnion; ealgeone; MHGinTN; Roman_War_Criminal; boatbums; metmom; ...
You are mixing your scriptures. And yes we can have the assurance of out salvation.

We can indeed Mom. Assurance of salvation is a beautiful thing, even if some refer to it, the so called sin of presumption. If that is a sin, I will commit it all day, every day. 😁 It’s not a sin, however. It’s a blessing. See you at the pre trib rapture. 👍

70 posted on 04/01/2021 12:45:45 AM PDT by Mark17
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To: Teleios Research
Yes, but have confidence this also is true of many who profess to claim the name of Christ:

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; Matt. 7:21-24.

71 posted on 04/01/2021 12:56:32 AM PDT by Ahithophel (Communication is an art form susceptible to sudden technical failure)
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To: metmom; MHGinTN; Roman_War_Criminal
His whole delivery here is about religious titles and you expect people to think that in the middle of all that, He’s telling children to not call their male parent “father”.

You are correct MM. Let me give you another verse, that I believe is often misinterpreted. Genesis 6:3: “And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.” The context, is the Nephilim and the upcoming Flood, but right in the middle of the discussion about the Flood, many think God suddenly changes, and says man will only live 120 years? I don’t believe that interpretation. Most people don’t get past 80 and Noah lived another 300 years after the Flood, so it didn’t quite work out that way. I believe all God meant, was the people had 120 years to repent, before the Flood wiped them out. This may very well have been how long it took Noah to build the ark. It really is that simple. 👍

72 posted on 04/01/2021 1:09:55 AM PDT by Mark17
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To: ADSUM

Sorry ADSUM, but I have proof that the ancient church fathers believed in the “Protestant misinterpretation.”

Catholicism is nonsense that didn’t show up ‘til 5 centuries after Christ.

I’ve repeatedly pulled quotes from the ancient church fathers to show your errors.

You’ve shown bupkis.


73 posted on 04/01/2021 1:29:59 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: GardenerForLife
Direct questions should be answered with direct answers...

John 6:25-40

25 When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”

26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”

28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’[c]

32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”

35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”


74 posted on 04/01/2021 3:43:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GardenerForLife
Oh; sorry about this Rapture reference that got included:

and I will raise them up at the last day.”

75 posted on 04/01/2021 3:45:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: faucetman
How could “works people” deny all of that scripture, the very Word of God?

Well; once you're convinced that "Call no man father" doesn't mean what it plainly says; you can then go on to believe most anything else that Rome insists upon.

I mean, "C'mon, man! Would an apparition LIE to you??"

76 posted on 04/01/2021 3:48:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GardenerForLife
In Matt 25, Jesus is very detailed in this explanation.

Since you posted something that James wrote, why didn't you post it?

77 posted on 04/01/2021 3:51:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GardenerForLife
Salvation is not given until the judgement. That's why it's called the judgement. Being judged good or evil.

I think you are, shall we say, mistaken.


Ya see, there is this thing called "The Book of Life".

Things get written in it from time to time...


Exodus 32:32-33
 But now, if you will forgive their sin—but if not, please blot me out of your book that you have written.”  But the Lord said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book.
 

Daniel 12:1
 “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.
 
 
 
Philippians 4:3
 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.
 

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
 

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
 
 
 
Revelation 17:8
 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
 
 
 
Revelation 20:11-15
"Then I saw a great White Throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and THE BOOKS WERE OPENED. Another book was opened WHICH IS THE BOOK OF LIFE. The dead were judged according to their works as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to their works.  Then death and Hades were thrown into the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written IN THE BOOK OF LIFE, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
 
Revelation 21:27
Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

78 posted on 04/01/2021 3:58:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GardenerForLife

... there is this thing called "The Book of Life".


Is Your Name Written There?


79 posted on 04/01/2021 4:05:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GardenerForLife
...Jesus will not give salvation to anyone that has not done the works they were commanded to do.

Ok; just what are those, for the church at Rome seems to require MORE than what Jesus referred to.


What MUST we do...?


80 posted on 04/01/2021 4:09:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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