Posted on 03/06/2021 2:43:59 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Mcarthur is some one I don’t trust at all.
RE: He is also completely wrong about this issue.
Let’s stick to this topic please — THIS ISSUE. Tell us why you think he is completely wrong on this issue.
RE: Mcarthur is some one I don’t trust at all.
Can you elaborate as to why...
I’m a Southern Baptist. Do I fit in between these two?
It’s very simple. Religious freedom is a human right.
Everyone has the right to practice their religion, as long as their beliefs don’t infringe others rights.
I think Southern Baptists would be closer to Wesley while Reformed Baptists would be closer to Calvin.
Basically puts his citizenship in the Kingdom of God above his U.S. citizenship and says his freedom to preach the Gospel is based on God’s sovereignty, not U.S Constitution. I had just recently listened to his sermon from October 1982 on Matthew 17, the miracle of the temple tax. He didn’t precisely say what he’s quoted above, but it fits
in .Gty.org.
He’d say good, trust Christ.
I think all MacArthur said was that he would not FIGHT for “religious” freedom. I think his viewpoint is that promulgating the gospel in any society is the main goal.
If Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and life, who cares about religious freedom. RF doesn’t guard against being persecuted for sure. Cuz evil people will not respect “religious freedom” anyway. That being said, it is a benefit...but it is not gonna save people.
How one treats MacArthurs views will tell one who much they respect RF.
Well, McArthur did open his church to in person worship in July , and that means hundreds to thousands in the auditorium every Sunday. Los Angeles county has taken him to court repeatedly to try try to shut the church down but has been rejected again and again in their attempts(BTW, Jenna Ellis is Grace Community Church’s lawyer). He stepped back from his usual expository sermon a couple weeks ago to reflect on the events of the year. He said that in July three members of the maintenance staff had tested positive for Covid and the county had attempted to prove there was an outbreak at the church. Three weeks later, they dropped the claim. Mc Arthur hasn’t boasted about it, hasn’t even made a big deal out of God’s extraordinary protection of the church members, at least publicly—it’s there for any one who wants to see it. What he has relied on is Christian doctrine-” forsake not the assembling of yourselves together as the manner of some is;” and Peter’s simple statement to the high priest in Acts 5:29:”we ought to obey God rather than men.”
I think all MacArthur said was that he would not FIGHT for “religious” freedom.
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Agree.
Don’t get bogged down in legal fights. Don’t fight with the pigs; you’ll get dirty and pulled down to their level.
Pigs in this instance would be the ‘religions’, all worldly, that want to be sanctioned and protected and even promoted with additional notoriety.
Like satanism and pedophilia and mescaline priests, for a few examples.
“Osteen is a snake oil salesman.”
Osteen has God confused with Santa Claus.
Sounds like folks that do NOT list to channel 128
Similar to the ones who did NOT listen to Rush.
DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION
Alternative Worship Sites
New Sites Now Available
by HUGAPAGAN
Naamah, mother to King Rehoboam, announced today that the Equal Worship Act just passed was to ensure inclusion and diversity of religions from other cultures. The Judah Supreme Court ruled that other forms of worship should be allowed and even encouraged to foster diversity and inclusion. Naamah, an Ammonite, expressing relief said, “It has been so long since I’ve attended a decent Molech worship service. So what if we burn children to death. That is, after all, our choice in the expression of our religion and gratitude to Molech. Why, even King Solomon eventually joined in and we know how smart he was.”
A nationwide poll taken earlier showed 87% support for the measure including 38% of the Levitical priests. Right-wing extremist Zachariah who immigrated with other Levites from the Northern Kingdom maliciously stated, “Um, this doesn’t seem like such a good idea as we should be worshipping the one true God and it should be done in the temple in Jerusalem.” However, more progressive thinkers like Shemiel, who was heading to the Interfaith Prayer Breakfast said, “A more diverse society makes us stronger. After all, we all worship the same god, just in different ways. Can’t we all just get along?”
As a matter of convenience, King Rehoboam has placed Asherah Poles under every tree and on every high place throughout Judah. This allows for everyone to join in worshipful celebration at the place of their choosing and praying for the prosperity of the nation. Already, Judah is seeing the benefit of this prosperity gospel as we are experiencing an uptick in the stock market and prosperous time. Despite constant wars and pay offs to foreign governments, people rate present conditions as “good”. King Rehoboam approval rating has never been higher.
Meaning the alternative is to not allow any religion, which effectively means a state "religion" will be what is sanctioned, as in Communism, and thus the very thing opposition to the first amendment object to will be promoted (Asherah Poles or a equivalent. Or only allow the Christian faith is state-sanctioned, or some form of it to, like Russia is working towards, thus meaning the state becoming an unholy arm of a church, leaving the evangelicals to compete for first place among the persecuted.
Which means the Pilgrims and Puritans were wrong in leaving to seek religious freedom, if only for themselves, and Paul was wrong in seeking freedom on the basis of his rights (since supporting those rights also meant pagan citizens could also have freedom to preach), as is pastor MacArthur for appealing to the Constitution (first amendment i presume) to obtain freedom of worship.
Persecution is good for the soul, but the RC counter-reformation was quite successful, and true militant Christians will suffer some degree of persecution under freedom of religion yet have far more freedom to preach. I do not see how the above alternative of no freedom of religion or a monarchy is consistent with NT Scripture or more advantageous for the propagation of the faith or stop pagan beliefs.
As a matter of convenience, King Rehoboam has placed Asherah Poles under every tree and on every high place throughout Judah. This allows for everyone to join in worshipful celebration at the place of their choosing and praying for the prosperity of the nation.
The analogy fails for support of the first amendment does not mean such state-support of one formal religion, while again, denial of freedom of religion effectively means that forms of demonic religion can prosper, the very thing opposition to the first amendment objects.
Somehow we have gotten it into our heads that the spread of Christianity is based on laws and tolerance-not God. Other religions are simply the “teachings of demons” (1 Tim 4:1) and allowing them equal footing with the gospel doesn't strengthen the church. Rather it should be a clear signal to believers that we've lost our trust in God.
The Pilgrims and Puritans believed in religious Christian freedom. I suspect they would take a dim view of Muslims, Hindus, Wiccan, and other forms of worship. They had no idea that freedom of worship would be interpreted so inclusively. This isn't a smorgasbord where one can pick a truth. The gospel is the ONLY truth to save man from hell and "religious freedom", as it is interpreted, does nothing but muddle the message.
Forget “Onward Christian Soldiers”. We might all well put a “COEXIST” bumper sticker on the back of our cars.
It seems to be that the author is saying John Macarthur is against religious freedom.
Religious freedom is critical - I’ve seen the treatment of Christians in Saudi Arabia where any religion except Islam is illegal. That is horrific.
I’ve seen Christians in Iran who can practice their religion in peace but cannot talk about it to anyone and conversion from Islam is illegal.
Religious freedom is critical - we have too many differences to have it otherwise.
He is speaking as a citizen of the kingdom of God, not in a political sense, that’s what I finally decided about what he is saying.(I heard the sermon, I’m not responding to what this author says about it.) Sometimes he doesn’t set his context as carefully as he should in my opinion. However, he does say that denial of religious freedom for everyone else would also mean denial of religious freedom to him. He knows those houses of his that you complain about would be gone. He says that denial of religious freedom would make no difference to the kingdom of God, that He would still be sovereign, and His word would still accomplish everything that He intended it should. Believers would be a lot less comfortable in this world though. Plenty of examples around the world of that.
Wholeheartedly AGREE! I have listened to Dr. “Johnny-Mac” since my college days in the 80’s.
Thanks for that explanation
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