Posted on 03/04/2021 7:23:59 PM PST by marshmallow
In King v. New York, (ND NY, Feb. 26, 2021), a New York federal district court rejected a wife's contention that New York's no-fault divorce law violates the Free Exercise and Establishment Clauses by infringing her Christian religious belief that marriage is permanent and cannot be dissolved by the state. The court said in part:
... [A] finding that H. King must remain married against his will because of L. King’s religious convictions would defy all logic and reason, and create a much larger Establishment Clause issue than the one L. King argues exists today....
(Excerpt) Read more at religionclause.blogspot.com ...
Even in biblical times there were well established valid reasons for divorce, that would be recognized by the spiritual bodies and the governments.
Shes not correct. Court ruling is a sound one.
The ruling is correct but not for the reasons you state -
Government marriage is not religious marriage.
Now if her church allowed it then she should take it up with the church elders - but the state has total jurisdiction over how the government handles its “marriage” by its laws.
--Matthew 19:3-9
Matthew is right. But that has nothing to do with the law. If you got married by the state and the state is your god then the state does not need to hold your marriage together. But if you get married by God and you wish to do what God wants, then you should stay married even if your husband leaves you. Jesus says this in every Gospel.
She has never heard of a Jewish Get?
Your marriage within your religion is independent of your civil one.
If the State REQUIRED a religious marriage (patently impossible) then this action could, at best, sever them.
Dumb lawsuit. It also attempts to trample on the rights of the husband.
How many people are dead (murdered) because of your Neanderthal view that marriage entitles spousal ownership of the other for life. Abuse? so what? Adultery? Big deal. Get beat up, kidnapped at the point of a shortgun (the worst of my many experiences), — your life belongs to another human being.
Bondage was approved in the Bible as well, and it seems you approve that for (mostly) women. Please go back to your cave and allow those of us who escaped death and worse — a living death — at the hands of our husbands (and husbands who escaped death at the hands of their wives) to live free of the punishment God saves for those who are actually guilty.
Who are you fighting with?
Court ruling protects the corrupt lawyers and judges money train !
The Bible allows for self-defense.
The Bible also allows for the death penalty but most Christians are against it.
Well, she isn’t correct as well.
Religious/biblical marriage has always had a number of reasons why divorce could occur. Infidelity, abandonment, one spouse trying to murder the other. Withholding of affection/intimacy, a form of emotional and sexual abuse.
Huh?!
What are you talking about?
Self defense includes defense of the whole self: mind, body, and spirit.
Marriage is intended to make two bodies one, but sin is a reality. One person can and often does break that bond, and the God-intended one body of the two no longer exists.
To force one person to live as if it did, to condemn one person’s body to lifelong control, to punish one person for another person’s sin, is never God’s way.
If you support lifelong abstinence for all those abandoned by their spouses, please show me where the New Testament supports enslaving/punishing/imprisoning one person’s body for someone else’s sin.
Re: “Who are you fighting with?”
I take issue the person who claims that the New Testament forbids remarriage in all instances and calls it a sin, even when the “one body” of the marriage no longer exists. If one of the two people threatens to kill the other, abuses them, abandons them for another relationship, etc, the one body has been cleaved in two.
Claiming that the God requires abused or abandoned spouses live the rest of their lives as if the marriage still existed is enslavement.
“...please show me where the New Testament supports enslaving/punishing/imprisoning one person’s body for someone else’s sin.”
For the sake of argument, off the top of my head:
“If someone slaps you on the right cheek...”, “...better to suffer the wrong”, much of 1 Pet chapter 2...
You can stop talking after “the New Testament forbids remarriage”, it does, four times. Do what you wish. The bible is clear on the point. I am not here to judge you. And you should not care what I think. But the bible does not say that you have to stay inside good marriages and are allowed to leave bad ones. Write your own bible if you wish. There are lots of unfair situations in life. There are lots of unpopular situations. There are lots of dangerous and uncomfortable situations. How you deal with them is up to you. God will judge, not us.
She and her church can still regard the marriage as being in effect.
But under the LAW, her husband’s legally-enforceable financial obligations towards her are now what the divorce settlement says.
Their Church remains free to decree what they wish. Their decree, however, carries no legal effect which the State is obliged to recognize.
Nothing you are saying has anything to do with what I said.
Go back and read the thread.
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