Posted on 02/27/2021 1:36:09 PM PST by Cronos
Sounds like it to me. Of course you don't know if that was the case with Ravi - whom you are strangely obsessed with. Are you willing to let God deal with him or does He need your help?
Boatbums says: No matter what you do, you cannot be unsaved. You are sealed. Yes, God will discipline and chastise His children but in the end everyone gets into heaven.
No, that's NOT what I said. Go back and reread my reply. Your obtuseness is tiresome and the only reason I am replying to your posts now are for the benefit of others who may be reading this thread. You may be too hardhearted to understand the depths of God's grace.
Matthew 7 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. INIQUITY = SIN.
Jesus is talking to the religious Pharisees who counted on their own righteousness to save them. Kinda like SDA and other works-based religions who boast of their mighty works and personal holiness. If they were justified by works, they have something to boast about - but not before God. This sounds like you, Phil.
Hebrews 10 26For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. SIN WILLFULLY
You sure you want to run with this interpretation? "There remaineth no more sacrifice for sins" means you sin even one time and you're hell-bound, do not pass GO, do not collect $200. There's nothing in there about repentance and confession. I've got news for you, Phil, we ALL sin willfully. Nobody has total victory over the old sin nature until they go to be with Christ. Some do better than others on this part but as long as we are human, we will have to deal with our sinful inclinations. It is a process of sanctification. We mess up, we get convicted by the Holy Spirit, we feel badly, we confess it to God, we thank Him for His forgiveness and He cleanses us from all unrighteousness, then we grow in our faith. Your interpretation leaves no room for this process. One bad act and ***POOF*** you're done - adios, goodbye, sayonara. Thankfully, that's NOT what God is saying.
Not likely.
I think some are so steeped in the doctrine beliefs of their church affiliation that the scriptures are simply ‘used’ to support what their church teaches rather than to search the scriptures and let God teach them what is true.
I say this for as I was seeking the truth, after several churches differed, I learned God’s Spirit does lead one to the truth of His word as God intends it to be and applied in our life. ..and as well false teachings we’ve been taught but question.
You've got it backwards! That city is on earth during the 1000 years of Christ's reign with a rod of iron. Why would He need a rod of iron and why would "the nations" need healing if we/they are all in heaven??? Do you read the book of Revelation? It is the millennial reign of Christ ON earth and when that is over, He creates a new heaven and new earth wherein dwells righteousness. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will dwell with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. ‘ He will wipe away every tear from their eyes,’ and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away.” And the One seated on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” (Rev. 21:3-5)
You’ve got it backwards!
Nope. I have it correct.
The righteous will live and reign with Jesus in heaven for the period of 1000 years, and judge the wicked. How do I know this happens in heaven and not on earth? Good question-
John 14:2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
At the second coming Jesus returns to earth to gather the righteous, that they may return with him to live in heaven in the mansions He has made for us.
Sounds like it to me. Of course you don’t know if that was the case with Ravi - whom you are strangely obsessed with. Are you willing to let God deal with him or does He need your help?
Up until a few days ago I have never heard of Ravi Zacharias. All I know is what his own church is confessing to. It was in the headlines. Then your good friend MHGinTN said “Born Againers” can’t sin and many posts later here we are. I was merely using Ravi as an example of someone who, on the outside, claimed to be born again and by all accounts from everyone it seems, was. I could have used anyone as an example....Jim Baker, Jimmy Swagart, Ted Haggard OR MANY OTHERS. Ravi was in the news and I used him. No obsession there at all.
I made it very clear that I have no idea if Ravi did anything. That’s not my concern. His eternal salvation is in God’s hands. Maybe you didn’t read what I wrote? I MERELY USED HIM AS AN EXAMPLE....if he did it (sort of like OJ’s book title, etc....)
You’re kind of getting all worked up about Ravi, aren’t you?
You sure you want to run with this interpretation? “There remaineth no more sacrifice for sins” means you sin even one time and you’re hell-bound, do not pass GO, do not collect $200. There’s nothing in there about repentance and confession. I’ve got news for you, Phil, we ALL sin willfully. Nobody has total victory over the old sin nature until they go to be with Christ. Some do better than others on this part but as long as we are human, we will have to deal with our sinful inclinations. It is a process of sanctification. We mess up, we get convicted by the Holy Spirit, we feel badly, we confess it to God, we thank Him for His forgiveness and He cleanses us from all unrighteousness, then we grow in our faith. Your interpretation leaves no room for this process. One bad act and ***POOF*** you’re done - adios, goodbye, sayonara. Thankfully, that’s NOT what God is saying.
You must have a very bad memory. I have been very clear that all humans are sinners and the way it works is if you sin, YOU ASK GOD FOR FORGIVENESS, and let the Holy Spirit help you to conquer sin and grow in faith. The point I’m making is that we sin (MHGinTN says born againers can’t) and SIN IS TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW, God’s law that is. And, we are held responsible. Raping women over a 10 year period IS NOT BEING UNREPENTANT. That’s my point. That is WILLFUL, UNREPENTANT sin. If Ravi did it (and I’m not saying he did), he’s in big trouble. But you say he’ll be in heaven anyway. That’s not my decision to make. And if someone says as a born again Christian that they cannot sin and sin has no effect on their salvation, then they are taking the Lord’s name in vain. Simple as that.
I have no idea on this earth what you are talking about with the rest of that gibberish. I’ve never said that.
34But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22:34-40
These, Phil, are the commandments Jesus said we are to obey. If we can obey these two, we need not worry about any others.
***37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment.
Deut 6
1Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son’s son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
3Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
4Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
***39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Lev 19
18Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD.
40. Law and the prophets. A common Hebrew idiom designating the entire OT (see
on Luke 24:44). In other words, Jesus affirms that the OT is nothing more nor less than
an exposition of the two great principles here enunciated—love for God and love for
man.
FC, I have some news for you. We keep God’s commandments out of love for him. “loving God, and loving your neighbor” is a simple summation breakdown of the law and the prophets.....same as in the OT. You are definitely responsible for keeping God’s Moral 10 commandment law and other’s relayed through his prophets (and there are plenty of them to list..here’s a few 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.)
3Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Are you ok with willfully and purposely breaking this one as a Christian?
How about this one?
7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
How about these two?
13Thou shalt not kill.
14Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Are you SERIOUSLY telling me we don’t have to worry about “these and the others”?
You should take some time and reflect.
If you obey the two commandments Jesus told us to, you won’t be disobeying the others. He clearly said that ALL the law and the prophets were wrapped up in those two commandments. This is His New Covenant, sealed by His own shed blood. It is the reason we are not required to sacrifice animals for our sins. He once, for all, atoned for our sins. Our obedience is to keep those two commandments. Do we frequently fail? Of course. We’re fallible humans, just like the Israelites were. They couldn’t keep the law. The Bible says it was given to show how sinful we are, how unable we are to do it on our own. It was given as a preparation for the coming of Jesus the Messiah, who could pay the penalty for our sins FOR us, because he was without sin, and the perfect sacrifice God demanded. But because we now “have an Advocate with the Father, who ever lives to make intercession for us” we are able to repent when we sin, and stay in fellowship with the LORD.
You had better clear that with Boatbums. She went to bible college.
This is the new covenant.
I think you are off the reservation on this one. Check with Boatbums.
There is an aspect of the Born Again Believer which CANNOT sin because the seed of God-life remains in ABIDES IN that aspect. That aspect of the Born Again is their spirit, not their flesh nature, their spirit.
You are trusting in the dogma of a cult. The seventh day adventist religion is a cult, a cult which pushes works for salvation. Your practiced deceit is to claim you believe salvation is by Grace only. But then your cult adds works to keep you saved, as if GOD saves someone CONDITIONALLY. That is a lie straight from the pit of hell.
Making salvation conditional is satan's appeal to human pride, as if you are capable of mastering your sin nature which is functioning in your behavior mechanism so long as you are alive, not in the grave or raptured away.
You're waving Ravi around like your super gotcha is foolishness. Have you not read about the life of LOT who Peter calls righteous? Have you ignored the life of King David? You are working for the wrong side, Phil. Your goal is to sow/sew confusion so the lies of your CULT can inveigle someone reading the heretical bilge you keep asserting.
You are a cultist, a lost, self-righteous cultist. You fling the Word of God around like a bundle of wheat, waving the Word around as if it will somehow rain truth kernels down to cover your misuse of same. Your only harvest will be Christ telling you someday to depart from Him for He never knew you, was never allowed to abide in your spirit.
Perhaps you would be more happy sticking to the cult sites and arguing with cronos the Catholic. Your deceptions are not getting passed the Born Agains on this site.
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
That Christians are not responsible to keep the law of God is one of the greatest lies Satan has ever spread. Many professed Christians will lose their salvation because of it, because they will be workers of iniquity.
Meant to ping ... cautionary thread of cultists
Exhibit 133, Phil makes Salvation conditional, faithful to his cult heresies.
Exhibit #453
Take a look at post 120 and just substitute your name for Iscool.
We could go back and forth forever, and never change each other’s minds. I’m not going to argue with you. I’m a born again Christian, and I have no idea your religious affiliation, but it obviously doesn’t agree with mine. So be it. If the Holy Spirit, who is our teacher, counselor, and revealer of Scripture has anything to say to either one of us, I, for one, welcome Him. Go in peace.
Your purposeful mischaracterizations reveal what spirit is within you, Phil. You assert that I said the born agains cannot sin. That is your planned deception, not what I have posted.
I did nothing of the kind:
MHGinTN post 156: The spirit of the born again cannot sin because God’s Life is abiding in that newborn spirit, IRREVOCABLY.
MHGinTN post 170: If you have been born again then the Spirit of God abides in your spirit and IT cannot sin because God is there. The flesh? Not so much, it is trained to sin.
And then the back and forth with Cronos, etc...
And the kicker is that even if you do sin IN THE FLESH, it doesn’t matter anyway because no matter what you do, you are going to heaven, BECAUSE YOUR SPIRIT OVERRIDES THE FLESH. Rape a bunch of women? Murder a bunch of children? Cheat on your spouse for 50 years? Nope, still going to heaven, BEACAUSE THE SPIRIT OF THE BORN AGAIN CANNOT SIN. Free pass. Boatbums and CAWW both said as much (I’m not including their quotes because I don’t want to take the time to find them, but they are there, believe me).
We could go back and forth forever, and never change each other’s minds. I’m not going to argue with you. I’m a born again Christian, and I have no idea your religious affiliation, but it obviously doesn’t agree with mine. So be it. If the Holy Spirit, who is our teacher, counselor, and revealer of Scripture has anything to say to either one of us, I, for one, welcome Him. Go in peace.
I would submit to you that the Holy Spirit did just send you a message.
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