Posted on 01/26/2021 11:17:53 PM PST by Its All Over Except ...
In a world that changes constantly, people wonder if the Church can change its doctrine.
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Popes and church councils worked together on the following in 1-9, and popes before and after them agreed with them. This is Sacred Scripture and Tradition in action for over 1500 years. In fact, almost 2000 years.
If Francis and Vatican II can say something that popes and councils, popes before and after them, Sacred Tradition and Scripture said were sacrilege, a mortal sin, an excommunicable offense concerningthe Eucharist, then they can make any sin not a sin like abortion, gay marriage, homosexuality.
1-9 below:
1.) St. Sixtus 1 (circa 115): “The Sacred Vessels are not to be handled by others than those consecrated to the Lord.”
2.) St. Basil the Great, Doctor of the Church (330-379): “The right to receive Holy Communion in the hand is permitted only in times of persecution.”
St. Basil the Great considered Communion in the hand so irregular that he did not hesitate to consider it a grave fault.
3.) The Council of Saragossa (380): Excommunicated anyone who dared continue *receiving Holy Communion by hand.*
4.) This was *confirmed* by the Synod of Toledo.
5.) Saint Leo the Great read the sixth chapter of Saint John’s Gospel as referring to the Eucharist (as all the Church Fathers did).
In a preserved sermon on John 6 (Sermon 9), Saint Leo says: “Hoc enim ore sumitur quod fide creditur” (Serm. 91.3). This is translated strictly as: “This indeed is received by means of the mouth which we believe by means of faith. “Ore” is here in the ablative and in the context it denotes instrumentation. So then, the *mouth* is the means by which the Holy Eucharist is received.
6.) The Synod of Rouen (650): Condemned Communion in the hand to halt widespread abuses that occurred from this practice, and as a safeguard against *sacrilege.*
The Council of Rouen (650): “Do not put the Eucharist in the hands of any layman or laywoman but *only in their mouths.”*
7.) The 6th Ecumenical Council, at Constantinople (680-681): Forbade the faithful to take the Sacred Host in their hand, threatening transgressors *with excommunication.*
8.) St. Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274): “Out of reverence towards this Sacrament [the Holy Eucharist], *nothing touches it,* but what is consecrated; hence the corporal and the chalice are consecrated, and likewise the priest’s hands, for touching this Sacrament.” (Summa Theologica, Part III, Q. 82, Art. 3, Rep. Obj. 8.)
9.) The Council of Trent (1545-1565): “The fact that only the priest gives Holy Communion with his consecrated hands is an *Apostolic Tradition”
Also, in medieval times there were instances where heretics would palm the hosts and then feed them to animals as a form of sacrilege.
Bible Ten Commandments Catholic Ten Commandments
1st
I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
1st
I am the LORD your God: you shall not have strange Gods before me.
2nd
Exodus 20:4-6 You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my Commandments.
Deleted. See also idolatry in the Catholic Church
(There is idolatry in the Papal system so the second Commandment has been deleted or sometimes it has been absorbed into the first. All remaining Commandments are therefore shifted along one count.)
3rd
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God In vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
2nd
You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
4th
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
3rd
Remember to keep holy the LORD’S Day.
(The Sabbath is the fourth Commandment by normal count. The day to be kept is no longer mentioned since they changed the Sabbath to Sunday, and they called it the Lord’s day which they declared to be Sunday)
(Note that God had more to say about the fourth Commandment than all others and with good reason. It is very important.)
5th
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
4th
Honor your father and your mother.
6th
Thou shalt not kill.
5th
You shall not kill.
7th
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
6th
You shall not commit adultery.
8th
Thou shalt not steal.
7th
You shall not steal.
9th
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
8th
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
10th
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.
9th
You shall not covet your neighbour’s wife.
(The Tenth Commandment is split into two to get back to Ten Commandments.)
10th
You shall not covet your neighbour’s goods.
Funny how someone back then who didn’t believe in the real presence did that anyway.
Kind of like atheists on jihads to prove that God doesn’t exist.
When the Council of Trent cited “Apostolic Tradition” that linked it with St. Peter and St. Paul, thus showing going agaisnt Trent was equivalent to going against those saints.
NAB version of Ten Commandments
I don't know what "catholic" Bible you were looking at to get the Reader's Digest version of The Ten Commandments.
I was given a short book claiming that most of the horrors of heresy and decadence that we see today stem primarily from our celebrating the Sabbath on Sunday rather than Saturday.
However, when we switched from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar ten days were skipped. So the Saturday and Sunday we have today were two other days of the week before 1582.
So if the book was right then even Seventh Day Adventists are doomed.
Personally I would prefer the week to start on Monday and end on Sunday as that would mirror Genesis where God rested on the Seventh Day. It would also make it nicer for calendars to have the two typical days off work to be together rather than separated at opposite ends of the week.
Justin Martyr, c. 150 AD:
“And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things”.
And St. Paul wrote in the scriptures that one man esteems one day to be holy, another man another day, and basically said that Christians were free to choose on this matter.
Not my words. God’s. Second commandment.
“4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;”
All those statues inhabiting Catholic churches are graven images; idols.
The Catholic Church catechism removes the second commandment.
The Jewish temple had pictures of Cherubim on the walls, trees, etc, and Cherubim statues on top of the Ark of the Covenant.
A serpent on a pole was constructed so the Israelites could look upon it when bit and be healed.
God ordered those specifically.
Exodus 25: 17-22
“17 And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof. 18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. 19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof. 20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be. 21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee. 22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.”
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The Lord God ordered the serpent on the pole for the one purpose, as you note, to be healed.
Numbers 21:7-9
7 ¶ Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. 8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. 9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.”
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Note that the above brass serpent became an idol to the Israelites later:
2 Kings 18:4 ¶ He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.
In a world where domestic abuse, of either spouse or a child, on the job abuse, or even abuse by consentual adults, a preacher on Sunday morning preaches of submission to god and to the preacher, do you see why folks are walking out?
Acymts 15:
And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying: Men, brethren, hear me. [14] Simon hath related how God first visited to take of the Gentiles a people to his name. [15] And to this agree the words of the prophets, as it is written:
[16] After these things I will return, and will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and the ruins thereof I will rebuild, and I will set it up: [17] That the residue of men may seek after the Lord, and all nations upon whom my name is invoked, saith the Lord, who doth these things.
The temple was still around, so the rebuilding of the tabernacle of David he speaks of here is the church, and thus since the OT Tabernacle (Temple) had statues the NT tabernacle spoken of here (churches) can also have them and artwork, etc.
Secondly when God told the Israelites about no graven images it says He said that then because they didn’t know His form.
Acts 15. My bad.
Lets try again. LOL.
Acts 15:
And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying: Men, brethren, hear me. [14] Simon hath related how God first visited to take of the Gentiles a people to his name. [15] And to this agree the words of the prophets, as it is written:
[16] After these things I will return, and will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and the ruins thereof I will rebuild, and I will set it up: [17] That the residue of men may seek after the Lord, and all nations upon whom my name is invoked, saith the Lord, who doth these things.
The temple was still around, so the rebuilding of the tabernacle of David he speaks of here is the church, and thus since the OT Tabernacle (Temple) had statues the NT tabernacle spoken of here (churches) can also have them and artwork, etc.
The Lord God, the Creator, does not want us praying to statues, dead people, etc.
That is the reason for the second commandment, which the Catholic church removed from the Ten Commandments.
We are to pray, to make our requests to God, in the Name of Jesus Christ our Savior:
1 Timothy 2:5
“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
Pre Vatican II they weren’t walking out. Nunbers were stable and decade after decade before that were stable.
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