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Why the United Methodist Church is REALLY Splitting: The Big-Picture History
The Insitute for Religion & Democrary ^ | 21 January A.D. 2021 | John Lomperis

Posted on 01/26/2021 12:50:15 PM PST by lightman

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To: lightman

Here is a glowing review, from Amazon, for the book you mentioned, Never Silent (review is from 2009)....

Reviewed in the United States on February 11, 2009
Verified Purchase
Never Silent was given to my husband by our son. He said, “You’ve got to read this.” And now, I can’t put it down. The account of the faithful men of Africa and Asia who could not stand by and do nothing is a call to us all to not back down when faced with opposition to the truth. As a culture, we are the proverbial frog that is slowly boiled to death—we could choose to jump out, but we’re lured by the truth-wrapped lie called tolerance. I hear on the radio, see on the TV, and read in the newspapers about the increasingly blurred lines between races in post-election America. But this is the real thing—men of other countries and cultures laying down their lives for the church in America. I have new heroes.


41 posted on 01/26/2021 6:25:12 PM PST by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation πŸ™πŸ»πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ)
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To: xzins

Will there be a way to tell (other than asking :) which direction these offshoots - that DO leave - will be taking?

Whether they will be the more conservative/Bible based church vs the more progressive UMC church? Will it be in their (new) name?


42 posted on 01/26/2021 6:27:35 PM PST by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation πŸ™πŸ»πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ)
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To: Jane Long

The one more conservative group fighting for the split is called the Wesley Covenant Association. They are the lobby group, and their name is probably not what a new conservatice denomination will be called. But you can follow them to keep up with what is going on.

I’ve seen a few crazy liberals talking about having a crazy liberal denomination. So, if the split happens I expect a few splinter groups like that. My guess is there might be an orthodox group as well, but it would be tiny


43 posted on 01/26/2021 6:39:28 PM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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To: xzins

Thank you!


44 posted on 01/26/2021 6:45:26 PM PST by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation πŸ™πŸ»πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ)
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To: Jane Long

No problem


45 posted on 01/26/2021 7:05:09 PM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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To: lightman

Many South Korean missionaries are here, too.


46 posted on 01/26/2021 7:34:31 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD? Then SEEK HIM!)
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To: esopman
A SoCal Congregational church discovered in 1970 that its pastor was an atheist. The congregation went across the street and started a new church, which thrives to this day. A few holdouts recruited the youth pastor from a nearby Congregational church, who preached to twelve people on his first Sunday. He retired a few years ago, when four Sunday services finally became too much.

One ministry that grew out of that church has been responsible worldwide for at least one million conversions to Christ. That's just one more example of God's handiwork.

47 posted on 01/26/2021 7:48:33 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD? Then SEEK HIM!)
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To: narses
:When you think about it, any Protestant, by definition, believes that there are some issues worth splitting the church over.”

From a different perspective, Protestants don't wish to split a church, they want to split FROM that church. They wish to shake the dust from their clothes and leave said church intact with its own problems.

48 posted on 01/26/2021 8:11:43 PM PST by BipolarBob (USA - Born July 4, 1776. Died Jan. 20, 2021 in the Year of our Covid - a new error.)
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To: Maudeen
I was told Methodists don’t own their building even if it is paid in full and built by church members.

That is true as it now stands. However, the agreement if it's approved allows each church that votes to leave to join the new orthodox denomination be allowed to keep their building. The consensus is that this will be approved.

49 posted on 01/26/2021 8:43:18 PM PST by Texan
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To: Jane Long
Will there be a way to tell (other than asking :) which direction these offshoots - that DO leave - will be taking? Whether they will be the more conservative/Bible based church vs the more progressive UMC church? Will it be in their (new) name?

The proposed agreement is that the liberal wing of the Methodist will retain the name "The United Methodist Church". The Wesley Covenant Association is well into planning and organizing the structure of the new conservative/Biblical denomination as yet unnamed.

The "United Methodist Church" name is VERY important to the large conservative, orthodox African Methodist and they are demanding to keep it. So that must to be resolved before the actual split occurs.

50 posted on 01/26/2021 8:58:30 PM PST by Texan
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To: Texan

Thanks.

Quite the fight....for the name and for independence.


51 posted on 01/26/2021 9:00:26 PM PST by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation πŸ™πŸ»πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ)
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To: DuncanWaring
If it weren’t for the African bishops, ..

Yes, thank God for the Africans.

52 posted on 01/26/2021 9:08:34 PM PST by Texan
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To: Jane Long; lightman; Cronos

I’ve always thought the best name for a group that had “method” as a name would be “systematic christianity”. Then they could be called systematics for short.

But, the early method-ists’ “method” worked so well that it captured a couple of generations of Christians and taught them the steps to faith, holiness, and obedience. One could do worse than taking that idea and bringing it into our culture where Christianity is largely an entertainment cult.


53 posted on 01/27/2021 2:02:42 AM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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To: xzins

or crossing to Eastern Orthodoxy?


54 posted on 01/27/2021 2:39:28 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Eastern Orthodoxy is a blessing. The strength of faith of their members in the middle east is shown in their horrific martyrdoms.

They are a great example, perhaps of what we are to prepare for.


55 posted on 01/27/2021 4:13:52 AM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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To: Jane Long

He is very conservative. Don’t know where he has gone yet.


56 posted on 01/27/2021 5:34:42 AM PST by Texas resident (Biden is China's bitch)
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To: lightman

I voted with my feet twenty years ago. So happy in LCMS.


57 posted on 01/27/2021 7:02:34 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Laughter separates us from despair and gives us a chance at love. --Craig Ferguson)
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