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To: OneVike; SkyDancer

“NO, that is not the Scripture I refer to. this is the one... ‘And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence’ —1 Timothy 2:12-15”

The article that SkyDancer posted a link to is a good one. However, I would add a VERY important clarification on the above passage.

The Bible does NOT gives a general command by which women are supposed to submit to men. That is FALSE and a lie from Hell.

We ALL must submit to authority. Children to parents. Citizens to government. Church members to church leaders. Etc. But only when directed to do what is right, never to do evil.

But here is the important clarification: the Greek words for man and woman also are the same words for husband and wife. In English we have different words. So, translators must use context to determine which is correct for a specific passage.

Clearly Paul and others admonish WIVES to submit to their own (respective) HUSBANDS’ leadership. It would be the height of foolishness to advocate for all women to submit to all men. Nor are wives commanded by scripture to submit to another woman’s husband, but to their own.

Here are a couple of links that support the proper definitions of the original words used in the scriptures:

https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/G435/aner.htm

https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/G1135/gune.htm

Would you counsel your wife, mother, daughter, or sister to obey any man who tells them to do something? What if a strange man tells one of them, “Come get in my car?” Should she OBEY because she is a woman and the person ordering her is a man? This is obviously NOT the case.


15 posted on 12/29/2020 1:57:56 PM PST by unlearner (Be ready for war.)
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To: unlearner
We can teach men in 99.99% of any discipline but can't teach anything from scripture; I can teach men how to fly planes but can't teach them anything about scripture nor can I bring up false teaching because we're not allowed to refute that.

I brought a Mormon pilot who I was flying with to Christ and his family as well. Was I wrong? I wasn't supposed to teach him true Biblical scripture?

16 posted on 12/29/2020 2:38:26 PM PST by SkyDancer
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To: unlearner

You completely took out of context what I referred to.


17 posted on 12/29/2020 3:10:59 PM PST by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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To: unlearner
I speak as in teaching the Bible. That is what the original discussion we had was about. You should have read the first comment I responded to. I was not referring to in general as to how a woman should respond to all men.

I did state in my commentary, if you would have read it. Here is the pertinent paragraph.

It's worth noting that in the missionary field women have, and still do, out number the men in third World countries. Thus, often times they found themselves in positions that men usually held. Women would be the teachers, preachers, and head of missionaries as they awaited qualified men to take charge. These experiences led to unprecidented equality women seldom enjoyed. By the end of the 18th century their voice became part of the women's suffrage movement. Mainly because when they returned home, they again found themselves forced to take a back seat to the men. Many of them would resent this and join the suffrage movement.


I made no statement as to what my opinion of such a world it was, but rather I wrote this as a mater of fact. It was what it was.

As for teaching the Scriptures, women cannot teach men. Period! No woman can be the head pastor. Period! And women should not be teaching older boys in Church.

Like it to not. I do not back off, and I am not one to look down on women. God made the rules, NOT ME!
18 posted on 12/29/2020 3:18:46 PM PST by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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