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Trumpism and Nationalism—a Response to Division and Divisiveness in the Church
shaneidleman.com ^ | 12/21/20 | Shane Idleman

Posted on 12/21/2020 5:51:59 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal

The current political climate, and more specifically, the politics that have invaded the church, are causing increased division among those who profess to be Christians. Whether it’s a tweet from Beth Moore denouncing so-called Trumpism and nationalism, or a radical right-leaning group pointing to Trump as the Savior, the divide has left many people confused.

Here are a few points I’m hoping will help, but first, I’d like to begin with a question: Since when did being concerned about protecting innocent life become nationalism, and wanting God’s Word honored and the freedom to preach the gospel become Trumpism? Could it be that we are allowing a secular, godless society to wrongly label many of us? Is it possible to love what God has done in America without being stereotyped as a “bad” person?

Granted, many of us, including myself, can do a better job of communicating our feelings via humility and gentleness. But when we see that a Biden administration would promote transgenderism to our little ones, allow eight-year-olds to acquire a sex change, encourage the most perverted legislation any society has ever known, silence all Bible-beliveing churches, mock God, and kill children at nine-months’ gestation, we get a little fired up, and so should you.

(Special note: I will also discuss some of these issues with Dr. Michael Brown, who has a good grasp on understanding both sides. The links to listen are below.)

1. Where we acquire our information can divide us. For example, some believe there is no evidence of massive fraud in the recent election, while many others are convinced there is. Many are arguing opinions, not facts, just because they don’t like President Trump. This is really the root of where the division begins. The fact is that political officials, many news organizations (see the short list below), and attorneys like Lin Wood and Sidney Powell have been sounding the alarm about election fraud and “errors” since day one. Every reputable news outlet is now publishing articles on election fraud on a daily basis.

Do your own research and see where the facts take you. For example, I think there is plenty of evidence to show that the Dominion voting software was designed to influence elections, not simply count votes (again, see the links below). Some people are trusting the mainstream news outlets and never look at the other side. Most of the mainstream news is owned by just a few large corporations who are hell-bent on destroying America, even if it involves lying, stealing, and manipulating. Do your homework. Find sources of actual journalism, and let the facts lead you to your conclusions rather than being told what to think.

Finally, be gracious when communicating with others, and try to be helpful and compassionate. For example, someone who disagrees with me and my wife often on social media is currently going through tremendous hardship. My wife just told her that we could help her out financially. That one gesture broke down the walls of offense.

2. How we think about hot topics can divide us. A statement I’ve been hearing goes something like this: “I do not believe most Christians are moved with concern about abortion since they do virtually nothing about.” This statement is not correct. Believers do everything from stand outside abortion clinics pleading with the women not to kill their babies to hosting prayer meetings and volunteering at pregnancy resource centers. A recent report said that one-third of independent abortion facilities have shut down. So is it wrong to desire a leader who will help us accomplish these things? I am not sure who “they” are who do nothing about it, but I can state with confidence that there are many who contend for what is right regardless of who is in office. And I would argue any person not moved to oppose abortion should take a close look at 2 Corinthians 13:5, and examine themselves to see if they are in the faith.

3. False narratives that appear real can divide us. Some say that President Trump denies and attacks all who disagree with him. They add that we do not care about the truth, and that Trump has normalized slander and ridicule. Although I agree that the way he communicates could be toned down considerably, I would challenge folks to look at what the president has actually said, and then compare that to what is said by the left about the president, and tell me who is primarily responsible for “normalizing slander and ridicule.” As I’ve said before, the president is hated not because of his character but because of what he stands for. He is a disruptive force. If the abortion industry, George Soros, most of the media, ANTIFA, and Hollywood are on your side, are you sure that you’re on the right side?

We are more concerned about our national character and morality—the laws we make and the people we appoint—than of “mean-spirited” tweets. Again, I wish his communication was seasoned with grace, but to use this as an excuse to not support him makes no sense to me and 74 million other Americans.

Are we making a deal with Satan to get what we want, as some may suggest? Hardly. These charges, to use a favorite term of the left-wing media, are baseless and show an alarming lack of genuine concern for the issues. As one friend told me, “I have four boys and a wife I’m praying for daily. If one can tell me how the LGBTQ agenda being forced down our throats and the ushering in of the anti-Christian, anti-God, ‘throw Bibles in a bonfire’ mentality of the left is okay and we shouldn’t support Trump, then I’m all ears.”

Aren’t we supposed to strive for the best for our kids and future generations? Aren’t we to defend the weak and the fatherless and to give a voice to those who have no voice? Or are we to roll over, embody the modern misconception of what it is to be “meek,” look at our children and grandchildren as we hand them over to a godless society? We are to prepare for persecution but never to invite it. I have talked to persecuted Christians from Iran to China, and they all tell me that we must value our freedom to worship God over Trump’s character flaws. There is no seat in the mushy middle for the believer. Truth does not give us that option—there is right and wrong, good and evil, and we must choose a side.

4. Those saying, “The actions of the president hurt the gospel” divide us. I want to tread carefully here because it’s a vital topic—in fact, there is no topic more important than the gospel witness. We can hurt the gospel if our attitude is arrogant and bombastic. But, as I said in a past article, the view that says supporting the president always hurts our witness is flawed in at least three ways. Read them here.

I have thought about this issue for months, and I’m open to hear what the “middle-ground” is, but if we take this line of thinking about hurting the gospel to its logical end, does that also mean we shouldn’t speak out against abortion because it may hurt our witness to physicians who perform them? Or what about the mother who had an abortion—should we not mention any pro-life positions because it may offend her? What other evils should we remain silent about so as not to offend? I am pretty sure Jesus never said, “Go out to all nations and preach the Word, unless it hurts someone’s feelings or makes them uncomfortable with their sin, in which case, quietly walk away.”

No, it’s okay to speak the truth in love and then offer hope. In fact, love requires us to speak the truth, to stand firm for the gospel, to oppose lies and slander, and to expose the unfruitful works of darkness (Ephesians 5:11). That is what it is to be a Christian—a sojourner in a land that is not our home but one in which we have been called to serve—to be the shining city on a hill, a light in a dark world.


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: apostasy; corruptchurch; insanity; liberalism
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Beth Moore is insane and an apostate for what it's worth. She's piling on people who abhor abortion and murder because she has an agenda.
1 posted on 12/21/2020 5:51:59 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
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Ping.. Beth Moore also was a Hillary advocate. Tell me how "christian" she is.
2 posted on 12/21/2020 5:56:11 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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3 posted on 12/21/2020 6:02:11 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

The sheep and the goats in the church are self-identifying. This is not the time to be lukewarm . . . You know what Jesus said He was going to do about that. I have never had so many conversations where people don’t have a clue what is happening.


4 posted on 12/21/2020 6:04:18 PM PST by Maudeen (GOD DOESN'T NEED OUR PRAYERS. WE NEED OUR PRAYERS.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

What the heck is “Trumpism”?


5 posted on 12/21/2020 6:05:40 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Another word made up by liberals to paint those of us who support the real President elect as ‘bad’.


6 posted on 12/21/2020 6:08:38 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Maudeen

Indeed!
I’m not surprised at the cluelessness among people. But the fact that the great apostasy has been happening right in front of our eyes for years, should give us massive confidence and hope that our redemption draws nigh.


7 posted on 12/21/2020 6:10:52 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
"Since when did being concerned about protecting innocent life become nationalism,"
The left, smugly tell us G-D is dead and Jesus is an imaginary friend, except when they're needed to fit their agendas. They've called Jesus a socialist, an undocumented immigrant, homeless, a vegan, whatever the pet cause du joure happens to be. Hell, that supreme intellectual Maddonna called Jesus an exhibitionist. (Well, he was naked on the Cross, like, DUH!) I'm surprised none of them said Jesus performed abortions. ..yet
8 posted on 12/21/2020 6:11:15 PM PST by Impala64ssa (Virtue signalling is no virtue)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Bump - read later


9 posted on 12/21/2020 6:16:50 PM PST by 11th_VA (Et Tu Fox News ?)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

The first Western nationalistic country was Ancient Israel.... Christian nationalistic European countries followed the same template....pride and defense of land, culture, people, beliefs, history.....As a Jew, I don’t see anything in the Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc, that is inconsistent with the Torah....so I think of the US as a Judeo Christian nation....so whether you’re a (practicing) Christian or Jew, being a nationalistic American should come naturally.....and if you’re neither, the sage like vision and writings of the Founders should be enough to inspire nationalistic feelings


10 posted on 12/21/2020 6:22:00 PM PST by The Fop (God Bless Donald Trump, Frank Sinatra, Joan Rivers, and the Fightin' Rat Pack Wing of the GOP)
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As a Christian, I feel closer to you than some members of my church. God bless you brother.


11 posted on 12/21/2020 6:29:45 PM PST by 11th_VA (Et Tu Fox News ?)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

If you support Israel, the unborn, marriage between a man and woman, patriotism, a strong military, law and order, and avow Judeo-Christian values - you are guilty of TRUMPISM!


12 posted on 12/21/2020 6:43:33 PM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: 11th_VA

Thanks, same to you.....after Hanukkah ends, I keep my little electric menorah fully lit in my window through New Years, to show Jewish solidarity with Christians during Xmas holiday season, in the age of Modern Israel and the battle against Godlessness


13 posted on 12/21/2020 6:43:55 PM PST by The Fop (God Bless Donald Trump, Frank Sinatra, Joan Rivers, and the Fightin' Rat Pack Wing of the GOP)
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The sheep and the goats in the church are self-identifying. This is not the time to be lukewarm . . . You know what Jesus said He was going to do about that. I have never had so many conversations where people don’t have a clue what is happening.

Amen.

I feel the same way.

I had a conversation with a relative about the vaccine, masks, and lockdowns (it wasn't my idea, it's what he wanted to talk about). Clueless doesn't even begin to describe it.

Pastor JD Farag gets it - and said so here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk3gBT1lUhg&t=1s&ab_channel=J.D.Farag

He said that people believe the lie, because they reject the Truth (which is Christ).

14 posted on 12/21/2020 6:47:13 PM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Beth Moore also believes in "Critical Race Theory", which is nothing but anti-White racism cloaked in Marxism.
15 posted on 12/21/2020 6:48:06 PM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: The Fop

Good points.


16 posted on 12/21/2020 6:53:40 PM PST by Songcraft
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To: SkyPilot

I watched Farag on Sunday. Thought it was a good update. I’m thinking about putting the ABC’s on one of those signs along the highway. . . that rotates different advertisements. I have Are You Ready? www.patburt.com on it right now. If one person gets saved as a result of it. . .it is worth it all.


17 posted on 12/21/2020 7:02:14 PM PST by Maudeen (GOD DOESN'T NEED OUR PRAYERS. WE NEED OUR PRAYERS.)
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To: The Fop; 11th_VA

Absolutely right on post!

We take our cues from Ancient Israel - the First Western Nationalistic Nation.

And I second 11th-VA’s comment regarding feeling closer to you than most members of my church as well.


18 posted on 12/21/2020 7:12:23 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

No, it’s okay to speak the truth in love and then offer hope. In fact, love requires us to speak the truth, to stand firm for the gospel, to oppose lies and slander, and to expose the unfruitful works of darkness (Ephesians 5:11). That is what it is to be a Christian—a sojourner in a land that is not our home but one in which we have been called to serve—to be the shining city on a hill, a light in a dark world.


As long as you don’t offend anyone........................


19 posted on 12/21/2020 7:15:07 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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I don’t know who’s worse, between her, Jen Hatmaker, or Paula White.

Either apostate or downright demonic - I can’t decide yet.


20 posted on 12/21/2020 7:15:13 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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