Posted on 12/12/2020 6:23:40 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
It is the fallacy of exact words. By using that logic Jesus is not God because he never said I am God. However he did use words and titles (The Way the Truth and the Life) that are only reserved for God. By analogy Revelation and Daniel use words like beast and horn to refer to a nation and/or a king. It states this beast will subdue people into worshiping him and his image. The only logical conclusion is that this refers to a specific man ruling a specific kingdom.
You will have to give me a clue what you are asking. Those verses were written by Paul.
The beast is not a man. And any tyrant worth the name has always been “anti-christ.” The beast was understood by early church fathers to refer to Rome, Nero, etc, the main power that slaughtered Christians.
You mean these early church fathers, who said that the restrainer of the Antichrist was the Pagan Roman empire, and that the Antichrist would come AFTER that? Can’t be Nero. It’s someone/something else. (shhhhh, it’s the Catholic Church/Popery)
http://aloha.net/~mikesch/fathers-on-antichrist.htm
From the above article:
The testimony is clear, the early church fathers quoted above generally expected the Antichrist to rise to power very soon after the fall of pagan Rome as prophesied in the book of Daniel, chapter 7. At the time that Paul wrote to the church at Thessalonica, the Caesars ruled, and until they were removed they restrained the Antichrist from rising to prominence and exercising his power. This is why Paul could not speak openly about the restrainer in his letter, because he did not want to invite unnecessary persecution by identifying Rome openly and predicting its demise. Pagan Rome’s rule ended in 476 A.D., so the above fathers were writing, in some cases, hundreds of years before the event, demonstrating that they understood prophecy, at least on that point.
There is only one entity that fulfills the timing spoken of by Paul, and expounded upon by the above quoted church fathers, which rose in prominence after the fall and division of the Roman empire in the 5th century, and subsequently took control of both civil and ecclesiastical governments, ruling for 1260 years (3 1/2 times) exactly as prophesied, and that is the papacy of the Roman Catholic Church, from 538 A.D. to 1798 A.D.
Pope Pius IX (1846-1878) gave this remarkable testimony, which when examined in conjunction with Daniel chapter 7, precisely identifies the little horn, the man of sin, the Antichrist power:
La Chiesa Cattolica fondata e istituita da Cristo Signore per provvedere alla salvezza eterna degli uomini, avendo conseguito, in forza della sua divina istituzione, la forma di società perfetta, deve godere, nell’esercizio del suo sacro ministero, di quella libertà che la sottrae alla soggezione di qualsivoglia potere civile.
Poiché per operare liberamente, come era necessario, doveva fruire di quei supporti che rispondevano alle condizioni e alle esigenze dei tempi, per una speciale disposizione della divina Provvidenza avvenne che, quando l’Impero Romano si dissolse e fu diviso in vari regni, il Romano Pontefice, costituito da Cristo capo e centro di tutta la Chiesa, ottenne un Principato civile.
Questo fu disposto con somma sapienza da Dio stesso, perché in mezzo ad una tale moltitudine e varietà di sovrani temporali, il Sommo Pontefice disponesse di quella libertà politica che era indispensabile per esercitare, senza alcun impedimento, il suo potere spirituale, la sua autorità e la sua giurisdizione sul mondo intero. − Pius IX, Apostolic Letter Cum Catholica Ecclesia, March 26, 1860.
The Catholic Church which was founded and instituted by Our Lord Jesus Christ to procure the eternal salvation of men, has, by reason of this divine institution, the form of a perfect society. Therefore, she must possess liberty such that she cannot be subject to any civil power in the execution of her sacred ministry.
To act with freedom, as it is just she should, she has always needed the assistance which was suitable to the conditions and the necessities of the age. It is, therefore, by a particular decree of Divine Providence that, at the fall of the Roman Empire and its partition into separate kingdoms, the Roman Pontiff, whom Christ made the head and center of his entire Church, acquired civil power.
Certainly, it was by a most wise design of God Himself that in the midst of so great a multitude and variety of temporal princes, the Sovereign Pontiff enjoyed political liberty, which is so necessary for him to exercise his spiritual power, his authority, and his jurisdiction over the whole world.
Source: Papal Teachings: The Church, selected and arranged by the Benedictine Monks of Solesmes, translated by Mother E. O’Gorman, R.S.C.J., Manhattanville College of the Sacred Heart, St. Paul Editions, Boston, © 1980, 1962 by Daughters of St. Paul, Library of Congress catalog card number 62-12454, par. #225, page 160.
I just find it stunning that with thousands and thousands eating establishments across the country they’re complying with these state orders to close etc.
Since Jesus was the WORD made flesh, Christ’s reply is even more ironic and it is possible that even Satan missed it until the cross and then the raising of Christ from the grave. “It is written, you shall worship the Lord your God and only Him shall you worship!”
Since Jesus was the Word and God in flesh...Satan should have bowed down to worship Christ right there. Yes I know Christ subordinated himself to the Father and tells us to submit to the Father and to come to the Father thru Him.
What an irony...Satan telling Christ that Satan owns the world when the whole of the expression and personhood of God owns all of creation and Earth, Heaven and The Lake of Fire and Satan, too! The Bible says Christ made all things and that there was nothing that has been created that he did not make, being with the Father from the beginning.(John 1:3
“Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made”...and 1 Colossians 1:15-17 “15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.…”)
The first scientist that “plugs in” Jesus Christ as the unifying force that will unlock the posited “Unifying Field theory” mathematically will win all the marbles. Science as we know it is stuck because they can’t even begin to guess how the universe down to the atomic level holds all together. Those two verses explains how it all holds together. Jesus was a part of the creation of all things without whom it would all fly apart.He is the Father’s thumbprint into our matter and energy universes and perhaps inter dimensionally as well. As a matter of fact Satan himself could not have existed if Christ had not existed as the linchpin upon which all of creation including all angels depended.
The audacity of Satan in asking his creator to worship him is astounding. So the choice of words Christ uses in rebuking Satan is interesting. Christ uses the third person in describing God as the one that Satan should have worshipped even though we know that it was Christ that made all things. Christ had so emptied himself for our sakes that he would not even count himself as equal with the Father, though Christ did say we could ask anything of the Father in Christ’s name. Perhaps the real temptation was to get Christ to assert his own authority despite his humanity and there-by spoil the integrity of the Salvation process. Christ had to die as fully man who had no sin so that the balance scales could be retipped and that we could be redeemed by God’s perfect sacrifice. If Christ asserted his authority as fully God then our salvation would be argued as having no legitimacy because God was violating his own weight and measures, cheating at his own game.
To the extent that the Godhead could ever have perished and be destroyed, it did so on that cross. The Father and Son and Spirit remained one as they shared Christ’s anguish and experienced that death the way humans experience death which is why the elements were shaken and the sun grew dark and the earthquaked and many of the dead were seen to have risen from their graves. Yet only sin brings spiritual death and since Christ was sinless, he could not stay dead but the Father raised him up!
Only then, I believe, did Satan start to grasp the whole of what the Father had planned and accomplished when the Son declared before giving up the ghost...”It is finished!”
Everyone is afraid of being fined or the one who they are going to make an example of.
Nobody wants to be first.
But it seems like since some have started openly rebelling, others are becoming more emboldened.
I don’t have to give you sheitte as long as you’re playing reindeer games with scripture.
Excellent analysis, beautiful writing.
Already here- Yes, Bill Gates.
Yes I most certainly will!
This man who will head the last kingdom of sinful depraved humanity is called many things throughout Scripture:
The Beast rising out of the sea
The Son of Perdition
The Little Horn
The Lawless One (Or Wicked One)
The Man of Sin
The Worthless Shepherd
The King who does as he pleases
Everything is ripe for this Son of Perdition to show up.
“there is no United States in the book of Revelation”
That of course is by design. The United States will not exist at least in the sense of what it has been as a world leader, during the Great Tribulation.
“First scripture has nothing to do whatever with the return of the Lord.”
Spoken like a true cultist. Scripture has everything to do with our Lord Jesus Christ.
“The early church was plagued with apostasy and the early church fathers thought he was referring to Nero.”
Well I’m sure glad the apostasy ended long ago and as far as the “early church fathers” I could care less I use Scripture the cultist always have to refer to other writers to justify their heretical positions.
“Unfortunate that you were not around to correct the misunderstanding of James.”
The false Roman church still hasn’t understood James, so it wasn’t a problem of “just” back then.
“Because the anti-christ won’t exist.”
For a man that will not exist the Scriptures sure devotes a lot of time talking about him and the false prophet. The reason you are absolutely wrong is the counterfeit Satan wants a three person figure just like the godhead. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and the counterfeit will be Satan, antichrist, and false prophet. It’s so simple that you won’t even see it, but it is right before your very eyes.
“The one-world government conspiracy exists, and if Trump leaves”
Trump has nothing to do with it the Lord Jesus Christ is a sovereign King He will fulfill His Scriptures according to His time line not ours.
I posted:
“First scripture has nothing to do whatever with the return of the Lord.”
You posted:
Spoken like a true cultist. Scripture has everything to do with our Lord Jesus Christ.”
I did not say it has nothing to do with Jesus, I merely said it did not pertain at all to His return.
You must be too dumb to converse with.
“Trump has nothing to do with it the Lord Jesus Christ is a sovereign King.”
Never even hinted that he did.
I don’t know what is going on, but there are some stupid people making stupid postings on this site lately.
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