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Can Halloween be Christianized Again?
Return to Order ^ | October 2018 | John Horvat II

Posted on 10/28/2020 8:02:32 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: baclava

“Halloween’s origins date back to the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain. The Celts, who lived 2,000 years ago, mostly in the area that is now Ireland, the United Kingdom and northern France, celebrated their new year on November 1”

This is simply not according to real history. First off, the Nov. 1 date was developed by Christians only.... FAR, FAR away from Celtic Europe, rather in Rome and Southern Europe. Secondly, Samhain was a LUNAR festival—which means it’s holiday moves around, according to the phases of the moon. Apparently Nov.1 lines up with Samhain about once every 30 years or so...so they are NOT the same holiday, or even related. Thirdly, the information we have about Samhain, comes from AFTER Nov. 1 was designated All Saints Day in the AD 700s...

MUCH of the disinformation on All Saints Day (or All Hallow’s Eve) comes from cultic, or occultic sources....who WANT to make it an evil holiday, to discredit the Christian martyrs who it was originally for. They’re happy to lie about things like “Samhain” in order to scare silly Christians...away from their own holiday honoring holy people of the past.


21 posted on 10/28/2020 10:27:08 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (Real life is ANALOG!!!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

EXACTLY!!!


22 posted on 10/28/2020 10:29:22 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (Real life is ANALOG!!!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Christianized again?

Bwahaha!!!

Are we ever really going to allow churches to open up again?


23 posted on 10/28/2020 10:30:01 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: BipolarBob

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24 posted on 10/28/2020 10:31:37 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Vermont Lt
Lol. The Nuts show up every year at this time. Boo!!!🎃 Happy Halloween All. Trump 2020
25 posted on 10/28/2020 10:38:06 PM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! ,)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

After New Year’s Eve .. Halloween is the BIGGEST NIGHT FOR ALCHOL CONSUMTION AND DRUNK DRIVIN G ACCIDENTS.

THAT is what Halloween is known for. These days it is PRIMARILY an adult holiday.


26 posted on 10/28/2020 10:39:50 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I Love BULL MARKETS!)
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To: Mom MD; Fai Mao

Mebbe so. I was being facetious.


27 posted on 10/28/2020 10:48:06 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Rome wasn't built in a day. All Hail the night shift!)
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To: Fai Mao
That, FRiend, is an excellent point!
28 posted on 10/29/2020 2:07:10 AM PDT by sauropod (Let them eat kale. I will not comply.)
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To: baclava

I’ve done quite a bit of research into this and I think the pagan connection is baloney.

The connection to Samhain is tenuous at best...and just revolves around their being around the same time of year.

The name itself is not even Celtic but Anglo-Saxon (All-Hallows/Alle Heilige is plainly Germanic).

The earliest Irish martyrologies have All Saints in *April*, and the Irish only changed it to Nov. 1st to get in line with Roman usage. The Romans, of course, didn’t care about Celtic holidays and had it on that day because that’s when the Church of All Saints was dedicated.

On this “dead walking the earth” on Oct. 31 business....I’ve heard the same thing about Mexican paganism and Filipino...where there were no Celts. How likely is that? Far more likely is that the idea of the dead walking the earth came from *Christianity*, as the very first line of Vespers for the Dead, which was said on Halloween, is this: “I will walk before the Lord in the land of the living”.

Plus we don’t get any mention of paganism until...coincidentally...the Reformation, when people like Henry VIII decided they didn’t like the festivals of All Saints that much and needed an excuse to get rid of it.


29 posted on 10/29/2020 4:08:35 AM PDT by Claud
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To: AnalogReigns
MUCH of the disinformation on All Saints Day (or All Hallow’s Eve) comes from cultic, or occultic sources....who WANT to make it an evil holiday, to discredit the Christian martyrs who it was originally for. They’re happy to lie about things like “Samhain” in order to scare silly Christians...away from their own holiday honoring holy people of the past.

Yes exactly. And unfortunately their nonsense tends to get amplified by Christians who want to scurrilously demean the medieval Church as superstitious and pagan.

30 posted on 10/29/2020 4:12:16 AM PDT by Claud
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Isn’t the name even Christian? All-Halloweds’ Eve?

Yes it is. All Hallows is the old English name for All Saints Day. All Hallows Ee'en (Evening) is the vigil of All Saints..

31 posted on 10/29/2020 4:15:37 AM PDT by Claud
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