Posted on 10/26/2020 6:36:10 AM PDT by OneVike
Wow did you miss the point!
We I believe have overlooked much more of the History of the world than we have observed and twisted all we have observed into one mold with big hammers discarding the shattered bits that did not fit.
And yet, God stated that those who never heard of Him wi stand before Him judged as to they saw of Him in the creation around him.
So to an open mind the clues of creation are in plain sight. And clear enough that a rightious Judge could judge by that observance.
One mans settled fact, is another man’s sandbox.
Facts only become settled when a mind closes. Note that proof that fact is not settled is only as far away as the article that inspired this thread.
Your rock of fact just got shattered to sand. Rejoice! For a whole new world just opened to you.
Your power of observation is strongly lacking, for I suspect he is not Christian, but an elder brother.
Respect is due.
And yet from years as a prospector my observance is that the physical evidence proves beyond a shadow of doubt that the earth is young. Your observation is just lacking perspective.
I once found a 22 but in my sluice box. Winchester x by the way. It was encircled in a sandstone fossil. From your perspective it had to be a million years old, and what were the chances Zog of Lemuria had tha same brand name!
And yet from my perspective the foskl was created by the electrical dissimilarity of lead and copper in an organic bacterial bath creating a crude battery and electrical current.
That exaned the lof I found another day that was half I and half out of a stream bed. The end of the log in The stream was fossilized, the other end was rotted but solid enough to use as firewood.
That is how fossils are formed, electrical currents created by mineral sands mixed in a fluid bacterial substrate.
Its why the minerals bind so fast, before the remains rot away.
The power of observation requires you to be in the field observing, not observing the field from an engineering book.
Perspective.
And the ability to change yours. If some pieces of the puzzle do not fit its because what you built so far is assembled incorrectly, feel free to re assemble daily, awsome things get built that way.
The problem is that the elucidation of modern science is not quite up the verses. What is considered settled in science is not actually science its dogma. Science is observation, it is impossible to ever be settled or it becomes a filter that hinders the future bservations.
Science makes for interesting dogma but it is quit inferior to verse. Science attempts to observe what is, verse is what is. Theology is religious science looking out, modern science is dogma looking in.
I can’t even figure out what your point is.
And wow, this has been the most fun thread it a long time!
What a mind bender.
Sorry, I tried. I grew up in many cultures, tends to make me think in odd ways.
My point was that the problem with the seeming contradiction in the scriptures in time from Gods perspective is actually not a contradiction but a lack of lerspective in our part.
It has to do with multidimensional mathematics. If you raise the dimension one level from the level below it all points of perspective of the level below become simultaneously percieveable.
The example I gave was of a three dimension object,, a pyramid being observed from a flat plane,, ie a two dimential perspective. A pyramid sliced randomly through looks many different shapes, yet when seen from a 3d perspective it is all of the intersections at once.
Now view time the 4th dimention from a 5th dimentonal persoective. A day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as a day.
Scripture is amazing in its ability to explain to goat herders multidimensional mathematics...
Hebrew is an interesting language, it is 3d not 2d like English. I could not master it unfortunately. I needed to live it not study it from books.
Every letter is a olor, a musical note and a number. Every word is male or female, past present or future tense. The meaning off the word changes in the context of not only the adjacent words but the context of the sentence and the paragraph.
Where English is a string of facts and descriptors like a string of pearls, Hebrew is a Rubix cube.
Makes it silly for english speakers to argue old testament scripture based on the meaning of hebrew words, because those words out of context are no longer connected to their meanings.
Hebrew is multidimensional, its a God thingie.
Genesis has always been consistent with the current state of science except one brief period in the early 20th Century when cosmology went off the rails with the Steady State Theory that didn’t last long. I trust that science illuminates Genesis and Genesis illuminates science for a long time to come. It is the over-interpretations of both that fall to the side.
Evolution is the only possible theory if you assume there is no God and you have to fit everything into the materialist paradigm, especially when trying to convince someone of your materialist assumption that underpins the entire edifice, exploiting a superior knowledge of the data to argue from authority. But it only requires the slightest doubt or the materialist assumption and a reasonable inquiry to find that the data is stretched and interpreted to support the assumption rather than taken on its face whether it supports the theorized processes.
I laugh at “evidence” like the Galapagos birds who “evolved” curved beaks to get the insects they eat. What really would have happened without intervention is that the straight-beaked birds would have starved to death.
You are just explaining that I could be wrong.
You are not telling me what you think is wrong with my argument.
I know all about geometry. I’ve been an amateur astronomer for over 50 years.
Dang, I just knew you would be a fun one to chat at.
I appreciate you and your perspective. Unfortunately I now have to crash. Be look forward to your comments in the future.
Then photons exist in a higher dimention than we do.
No wonder that God mocks Job as his knowledge as to the paths of light.
Now for some reason that tickles the thought of Tesla realizing the three states of electro magnetics plasma...
Gonna have them that perc for a bit. I feel convicted that photons are like that some way.
God is so fun... I just love Him...
Is it true that Voager red shifted when leaving the gravity well of the solar system? I read a study about that once. Kinda screws with the big bang.
I gotta sleep and you are not helping...
You are vaguely remembering the Pioneer probes that were found to be decelerating slightly more than expected from the gravity of the sun and planets alone. It turned out to be from heat, infrared radiation, being emitted by the spacecraft’s instruments. Nothing to do with the Big Bang or Doppler Effect.
I'm just shaking my head. You don't know me. I am the son of a coal miner, the nephew, uncle, grandson, and cousin of coal miners. I personally have been in my grandfather's coal mines. I have seen the fossils. I have seen the depths.
The earth is EXCEEDINGLY old, and anyone who doesn't believe that, well the only charitable explanation is that they are deceived.
And speaking of judgement, Christian who makes belief in a young earth a matter of salvation is making an improper judgement of his/her brethren.
The earth is exceedingly old. That is a settled fact.
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