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To: pastorbillrandles
For your edification:

There was an Israeli state in the land of Israel 2000 years before the evil prophet of Islam allegedly flying on a "magical horse" from Mecca to Jerusalem.


22 posted on 10/17/2020 11:23:56 AM PDT by SkyDancer (~ Pilots: Looking Down On People Since 1903 ~)
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To: SkyDancer

All of that is well and good, but the Nation of Israel was still sent into exile from the Land of Israel for 2000 years. For those who believe in God’s covenant with Israel this must have been done by the will of God. Going back to the question posed by the article, why?


25 posted on 10/17/2020 12:49:59 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: SkyDancer
For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim: Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days. I don't know your point Skydancer, but if you are trying to deny the simple fact that Godexiled Israel for almost two thousand years, and that there wasn't a nation of Israel for those years, no Government, No Leader, no national Sovereignty, national flag... You are wrong. This has nothing dot do with the "Palestinians" whom we both would agree are interlopers. It has to do with the dealings of the God of Israel.
35 posted on 10/17/2020 3:58:32 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles (ore and rebuild Jerusale)
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To: SkyDancer; pastorbillrandles

To SkyDancer’s post #22

Your first bullet points are accurate.

The “Palestinians” are a mix - not only just “Arabs brought by the Ottoman empire” but also Arabs and Arabized Egyptians, Syrians etc. who moved after the Aliyah in the late 1800s made the desert bloom; and also descendants of Arabs who came during the Umayyad and Fatimid caliphates and also descendants of Franks from the Crusader kingdoms, and also descendants of JEWS and Samaritans who intermarried or converted to Islam and/or Christianity (there was a big Christian Palestianian community and genetically they are Israelites)

“They are definitely not the tribes from Crete who settled down in the 5 cities of Gaza strip after the Exodus of Israel from Egypt. These tribes were called Philistines and they weren’t Arabs at all and today’s “Palestinians” are definitely not their descendants.”
—> that’s partially false. The Philistines (Indo-european people) were assimilated by their neighbours by the end of the Assyrian empire. JEWs of today would have some Philistine blood as would “arabs”, syrians, Egyptians and heck even many Europeans and Africans (2700 years of intermarriage does that)
Today’s Palestinians are highly likely to have some Philistine blood - but then so are the Israelis who they oppose.

“The real meaning of the word ‘Israeli’ is someone who belongs to the nation of Israel and not only “a citizen of a state called Israel”.”
—> that is incorrect. As per Israel’s rules - In terms of citizenship, everyone who has an Israeli identity card is Israeli, and under the rules of democracy all are meant to have equal rights

This is not unusual - you have Poland and Poles - I have zero Polish blood or history, but I am a Pole by citizenship not by nation. Ditto for the Irish, Estonians etc.

“Gentiles invented the word ‘Jews’. When the Persians, the Greeks and the Romans occupied the land of Israel they called all the Israelis in the name ‘Jews’ because at those days the tribe of Judah was the biggest and the dominant tribe which survived the exile of Assyria in which 10 tribes of Israel were exiled. “
—> that’s incorrect. The tribe of Judah was the one left (along with the tribes of BEnjamin and Simeon) - and they called themselves the kingdom of Judah right from the split after Solomon.

“in the future the 10 tribes will return to this nation”
—> sigh... no - the tribal identities are more or less gone — EXCEPT AMONG THE SAMARITANS. The descendants of today’s 10 northern tribes are among today’s Iraqis, Iranis, Syrians, Turks, Greeks, and by diffusion over 2700 years will have people who call themselves Indians, Kenyans, Ethiopians, Yemeni, Saudi, heck even French

As to the point about Arab citizens - I know Israeli Arabs and Druze who call themselves Israelis and not Arabs. Yes, they’re in the minority, but they do exist


87 posted on 10/20/2020 1:52:08 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: SkyDancer; pastorbillrandles

To SkyDancer’s post #22

your last bullet points - about the Arabs - remember that the “arabs” who conquered from Spain to the borders of India were small in number and initially kept the Ebionite religion as one for just themselves and didn’t accept converts. It was only in the area around Merv that they took converts from the IraniC peoples. This proved to be the undoing of the Umayyads as the Abbasid arose from here and to a large extent created the religion of Islam and created the fictional character called Mohammad in the 700s.

the Quran wasn’t written down until the late 700s and the first Muslim empire - the Umayyads don’t have coins with “Islam”, “Muhammad”, “Quran”, “Muslim” on them - some in fact have the cross on them.

The people we call “Arabs” today are Arabized peoples - true Arabs are only in the Nejd and Hejaz - they did rule over Jerusalem for more than 22 years after 633 BC - Muawiyah was crowned Caliph in Jerusalem in 661 and the Umayyads were based in Damascus


88 posted on 10/20/2020 2:08:12 AM PDT by Cronos
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