Posted on 09/28/2020 1:09:10 PM PDT by JAG 5000
"For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have Eternal Life."
Here is my interpretation of , , ,
"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"__The Lord Jesus
The Lord Jesus was made a sin offering. He bore the penalty of the "perish" of John 3:16
During the time the Lord Jesus hung on the Cross His Father temporarily forsook His Son while His Son was bearing the penalty of sin for the world.
Here is the verse.
Note the caps.
"GOD MADE him who had no sin TO BE SIN for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God"___2 Corinthians 5:21
The point?
God made Jesus who had no sin , , TO BE SIN for us.
So?
So while the Lord Jesus was "MADE , , TO BE SIN "
the Father temporarily "turned His back" so to speak, on His Son the Lord Jesus.
Something mysterious happened there on the Cross my friend, that forever changed the world.
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The Lord Jesus , , , "KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS"
"Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted.
But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.
We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter.
Isaiah chapter 53
Compare Isaiah 53 up there with 2 Corinthians 5:21 down below
"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God"___2 Corinthians 5:21
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By the way, Isaiah 53 was written hundreds of years BEFORE the Lord Jesus was born.
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Thank you Dear God for loving the world and for sending your Son, the Lord Jesus, to die for the sins of the world.
JAG
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Was God on Holiday , elsewhere in His vast Universe ? Aagin?
I wonder
Psalms 22 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
Christ was quoting Psalms 22! Might read the whole chapter to see what else David penned...
Oh holiday? When, do you mean?
Customarily, to quote the first line of a psalm, by a Jewish scholar, was to reference the entire psalm, including the more uplifting last verses. So any analysis of that quote needs to relate to the whole psalm.
"But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed."
Powerful salvation message for times like these. Thanks for posting.
Correct! And the Centurion who was overseeing the crucifixion had just watched his soldiers divide up Christ’s clothes as Psalms 22 says. That is why the Centurion said: “Surely this is the Son of God.”
Maybe YOU have, Sheepy McSheeperson.
Post #3. It is amazing how many Christians are ignorant of psalm 22.
Post #3. It is amazing how many Christians are ignorant of psalm 22.
Humblegunner, do you know the day,hour and second that your heart will beat for the very last beat?
...asking for a friend.
You are better off reading the commentaries of the Early Church fathers than this. For example, John 3:16 from the Catena Aurea, edited by St. Thomas Aquinas
3:16–18
16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
CHRYSOSTOM. Having said, Even so must the Son of man be lifted up, alluding to His death; lest His hearer should be cast down by His words, forming some human notion of Him, and thinking of His death as an evil1, He corrects this by saying, that He who was given up to death was the Son of God, and that His death would be the source of life eternal; So God loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life; as if He said, Marvel not that I must be lifted up, that you may be saved: for so it seemeth good to the Father, who hath so loved you, that He hath given His Son to suffer for ungrateful and careless servants. The text, God so loved the world, shews intensity of love. For great indeed and infinite is the distance between the two. He who is without end, or beginning of existence, Infinite Greatness, loved those who were of earth and ashes, creatures laden with sins innumerable. And the act which springs from the love is equally indicative of its vastness. For God gave not a servant, or an Angel, or an Archangel, but His Son. Again, had He had many sons, and given one, this would have been a very great gift; but new He hath given His Only Begotten Son.
HILARY. (vi. de Trin. c. 40) If it were only a creature given up for the sake of a creature, such a poor and insignificant loss were no great evidence of love. They must be precious things which prove our love, great things must evidence its greatness. God, in love to the world, gave His Son, not an adopted Son, but His own, even His Only Begotten. Here is proper Sonship, birth, truth: no creation, no adoption, no lie: here is the test of love and charity, that God sent His own and only begotten Son to save the world.
THEOPHYLACT. (in loc.) As He said above, that the Son of man came down from heaven, not meaning that His flesh did come down from heaven, on account of the unity of person in Christ, attributing to man what belonged to God: so now conversely what belongs to man, he assigns to God the Word. The Son of God was impassible; but being one in respect of person with man, who was passible, the Son is said to be given up to death; inasmuch as He truly suffered, not in His own nature, but in His own flesh. From this death follows an exceeding great and incomprehensible benefit: viz. that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. The Old Testament promised to those who obeyed it, length of days: the Gospel promises life eternal, and imperishable.
BEDE.1; Note here, that the same which he before said of the Son of man, lifted up on the cross, he repeats of the only begotten Son of God: viz. That whosoever believeth in Him, &c. For the same our Maker and Redeemer, who was Son of God before the world was, was made at the end of the world the Son of man; so that He who by the power of His Godhead had created us to enjoy the happiness of an endless life, the same restored us to the life we have lost by taking our human frailty upon Him.
ALCUIN. Truly through the Son of God shall the world have life; for for no other cause came He into the world, except to save the world. God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
AUGUSTINE. (Tr. xii. c. 12) For why is He called the Saviour of the world, but because Ho saves the world? The physician, so far as his will is concerned, heals the sick. If the sick despises or will not observe the directions of the physician, he destroys himself.
CHRYSOSTOM. (Hom. xxviii. 1) Because however He says this, slothful men in the multitude of their sins, and excess of carelessness, abuse God’s mercy, and say, There is no hell, no punishment; God remits us all our sins. But let us remember, that there are two advents of Christ; one past, the other to come. The former was, not to judge but to pardon us: the latter will be, not to pardon but to judge us. It is of the former that He says, I have not come to judge the world. Because He is merciful, instead of judgment, He grants an internal remission of all sins by baptism; and even after baptism opens to us the door of repentance, which had He not done all had been lost; for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (Rom. 3:23) Afterwards, however, there follows something about the punishment of unbelievers, to warn us against flattering ourselves that we can sin with impunity. Of the unbeliever He says, ‘he is judged already.’—But first He says, He that believeth on Him is not judged. He who believeth, He says, not who enquires. But what if his life be impure? Paul very strongly declares that such are not believers: They confess, he says, that they know God, but in works deny Him. (Tit. 1:16) That is to say, Such will not be judged for their belief, but will receive a heavy punishment for their works, though unbelief will not be charged against them.
ALCUIN. He who believes on Him, and cleaves to Him as a member to the head, will not be condemned.
AUGUSTINE. (Tr. xii. c. 12) What didst thou expect Him to say of him who believed not, except that he is condemned. Yet mark His words: He that believeth not is condemned already. The Judgment hath not appeared, bat it is already given. For the Lord knows who are His; who are awaiting the crown, and who the fire.
CHRYSOSTOM. (Hom. xxviii. 1) Or the meaning is, that disbelief itself is the punishment of the impenitent: inasmuch as that is to be without light, and to be without light is of itself the greatest punishment. Or He is announcing what is to be. Though a murderer be not yet sentenced by the Judge, still his crime has already condemned him. In like manner he who believes not, is dead, even as Adam, on the day that he ate of the tree, died.
GREGORY. (1. xxvi. Mor. c. xxvii. [50.]) Or thus: In the last judgment some perish without being judged, of whom it is here said, He that believeth not is condemned already. For the day of judgment does not try those who for unbelief are already banished from the sight of a discerning judge, are under sentence of damnation; but those, who retaining the profession of faith, have no works to shew suitable to that profession. For those who have not kept even the sacraments of faith, do not even hear the curse of the Judge at the last trial. They have already, in the darkness of their unbelief, received their sentence, and are not thought worthy of being convicted by the rebuke of Him whom they had despised Again; For an earthly sovereign, in the government of his state, has a different rule of punishment, in the case of the disaffected subject, and the foreign rebel. In the former case, he consults the civil law; but against the enemy he proceeds at once to war, and repays his malice with the punishment it deserves, without regard to law, inasmuch as he who never submitted to law, has no claim to suffer by the law.
ALCUIN. He then gives the reason why he who believeth not is condemned, viz. because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God. For in this name alone is there salvation. God hath not many sons who can save; He by whom He saves is the Only Begotten.
AUGUSTINE. (de Pecc. mer. et Rem. l. 1. c. 33) Where then do we place baptized children? Amongst those who believe? This is acquired for them by the virtue of the Sacrament, and the pledges of the sponsors. And by this same rule we reckon those who are not baptized, among those who believe not.
Was God on Holiday , elsewhere in His vast Universe ? Aagin?
I wonder
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I do not find this remark humorous.
The punishment for sin is death and separation from God.
You may recall that in the Garden of Eden Adam and Eve walked with God in the cool of the afternoon. In the Garden Adam and Eve spoke to God face to face. After being expelled from the Garden they became mortal so they would die, but also they were separated from God and could no longer be in His presence. Adam could pray to God but God answered him only through the Holy Ghost, spirit to spirit so to speak.
Christ had no sin. He did not earn the punishment of death nor of separation from God His Father. In order to pay for our sins however He had to suffer those things that Adam and all of us suffer except He did not earn it and He suffered for all our sins, not just one person. The weight of His suffering started in the Garden of Gethsemane where He suffered so badly that He sweat drops of blood, His pain was so bad that Moses and Elijah came to help Him.
What our Savior Jesus Christ did for us, the pain He was willing to suffer for us is incomprehensible. We say “for God so loved the world that He sent His son . . . .” but the truth is The Savior loved the world so much that He was willing to go through Hell for us to save us from having to do it. Amazing, simply amazing.
A Follow-up post , , ,
There is another aspect — that the Lord Jesus said “MY God My God Why Have You Forsaken Me?”
to call attention to the Psalm 72 that He was quoting
Start quote.
“There is another possible reason for Jesus to cry out, “My God, my God,
why have you forsaken me?” It could be that Jesus’ intent in quoting
Psalm 22:1 was to point His hearers to that psalm. When they read
Psalm 22, they would no doubt see the many fulfilled prophecies
included in that song of David. Even while experiencing the agony
of the cross, Jesus was teaching the crowds and proving yet again
that He was the Messiah who fulfilled the Scripture.”
End quote
https://www.gotquestions.org/forsaken-me.html
My view is that both are true
{1} My Op
and
{2} The Psalm 72 reason.
JAG
A Follow-up post , , ,
There is another aspect — that the Lord Jesus said “MY God My God Why Have You Forsaken Me?”
to call attention to the Psalm 72 that He was quoting
Start quote.
“There is another possible reason for Jesus to cry out, “My God, my God,
why have you forsaken me?” It could be that Jesus’ intent in quoting
Psalm 22:1 was to point His hearers to that psalm. When they read
Psalm 22, they would no doubt see the many fulfilled prophecies
included in that song of David. Even while experiencing the agony
of the cross, Jesus was teaching the crowds and proving yet again
that He was the Messiah who fulfilled the Scripture.”
End quote
https://www.gotquestions.org/forsaken-me.html
My view is that both are true
{1} My Op
and
{2} The Psalm 72 reason.
JAG
Spot on. As usual.
Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.Do you think that Christ is the only one who was forsaken by the Father? Also, consider the following two verses together.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
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