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What God Said Will Happen
RR ^ | 9/27/20 | Daymond Duck

Posted on 09/27/2020 12:15:02 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal

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To: itsahoot

Ignore Cronos - he’s a troll of the highest order.

You can see how he’s spammed this entire thread.

I suspect he’s demonically possessed due to his violent rhetoric towards True Believers in Christ. Not joking either.

His posts prove it (copy/paste/spam).


121 posted on 09/29/2020 7:06:44 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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To: zek157
The book of Revelation has a lot of contrasts - between the lamb that seemed as if slain and then the Satanic parody of the beast "like a lamb" AND then we see about the mark of God (the Tau, the baptismal cross) and later the satanic parody of the sign (the coinage of Nero)

Now, let's first look at Rev 14:4 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. -- the saints are chaste and have not defiled themselves with women.

Then,

let's look at Revelation 17

In Revelation 17 the wicked city is described as a harlot - a whore. This is not a new city or a different city than the one judged throughout the book of revelation. This is the same "Great city where the Lord was crucified"

Rev 11:8 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Rev 16:19

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

rev 17:18

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
zek157 -- This wicked city destined for destruction is Jerusalem before 70 AD

Yes, Jerusalem before 70 AD -- why?

Let's take them one by one - Rev:11:7-10 has the two witnesses killed and dead bodies not buried like in Psalm 79 O god, the heathen are come into thine inheritance; thy holy temple have they defiled; they have laid Jerusalem on heaps.

2 The dead bodies of thy servants have they given to be meat unto the fowls of the heaven, the flesh of thy saints unto the beasts of the earth.

Jerusalem is pictured as that city which killed the prophets, rejecting their message. That Jerusalem is called Sodom is a reflection of Isaiah 1:10 10 Hear the word of the Lord, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah. -- who are these rulers? They are the rulers of JERUSALEM

and note - "the city where their Lord was crucified" and where WAS Christ crucified? In Jerusalem

Rev 16:19 "The great city was split into three parts" -- recall 16:16 "And they assembled them at a place which is called in Hebrew Armageddon" -- this defines that Jerusalem pre-70 AD is the new Babylon, receiving its final catastrophic judgement for crucifying the Lord

What is the split of Jerusalem of 70 AD? Josephus describes what happened

The Romans slew some of them, some they carried captive.. there were also found slain there about two thousand persons, partly by their own hands, partly by one another, but chiefly destroyed by the famine
see - split in three parts and NOTE --
Jerusalem while under siege by the legions underwent a civil war!?! That's crazy - the Jews were being besieged by a superlative army decides to undergo a civil war -- and how many factions?

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the city of Jerusalem in 67 AD was split into

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Now let's look at Chapter 17

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The Jerusalem of 70 AD = Babylon - which is destroyed by the 7th chalice and is called a harlot

Contrast that to the new Jerusalem, the church - which is the Bride, the wife of the lamb

You may ask why is John's vision of the city "sitting upon the seven hills" - isn't that Rome or Constantinople or Albany, NY or Cincinnati?

Yet we read that the harlot is 18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. - and note 16 16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. -- the beast, the Roman empire, DEVOURS the harlot - so the beast is separate from the harlot.

Furthermore, the harlot "sits" upon the beast 17:3 I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,

Now let's look at the 7 hills - the 7 hills are the 7 heads of the beast 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

So we see here Jerusalem - the Sanhedrin SITTING on Roman Imperial Authority (the beaast with seven heads)

In other words, Jerusalem, the Sanhedrin was riding the beast

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17:1 "Come, I will show you the judgement of the great harlot who is seated upon many waters, with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and with the wine of whose fornication the dwellers on earth have become drunk"

this reflects Jeremiah 51:13 13 O thou that dwellest upon many waters, abundant in treasures, thine end is come, and the measure of thy covetousness. which is about Babylon. Note also that "sea" and "waters" represents Gentiles, while "land" and "earth" are for the Jewish authorities

The "many waters" that the woman (Jerusalem) sits on is yet another way of showing how the Sanhedrin of Jerusalem had set itself up on Roman Imperial authority
And Zek - you'll see it over and over again, in Hosea, in Jeremiah etc. where Israel is compared to a whore - because she is the unfaithful wife.

in the first chapter of Isaiah we read concerning Jerusalem 1:21 "21 How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers." - and yuo see the same in Ezekiel 16:15 15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was. and especially in Hosea 4:11-12 11 Whoredom and wine and new wine take away the heart.

12 My people ask counsel at their stocks, and their staff declareth unto them: for the spirit of whoredoms hath caused them to err, and they have gone a whoring from under their God.

The beast that the harlot (Jerusalem) rides is the Roman Empire - as seen in Revelation 13, which is the fourth beast of Daniel (the empire of Iron and then iron mixed with clay)

Now read 17:4-5 "4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth."

- this reflects Jeremiah 4:30 30 And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life.

John's description mirrors Jeremiah's words Babylon was a golden cup in the Lord's hand, making all the earth drunken; the nations drank of her wine, therefore the nations went mad" Jer 51:17

The precious jewels and gold as in Ex 28.5 5 And they shall take gold, and blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen. and Ex 28:15-23

These items were part of the temple's furnishings -- read Ex 25:3-7' 26:1; 26:31

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Once the earthly city of pre-70 AD Jerusalem is destroyed, God's faithful bride, the New Jerusalem - the Church, will be freed - read 21:11 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

Similarly -- God's temple in Heaven is opened once the earthly city if judged - Rev 11:19

rev: 17:6 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. -- the Greek word for martyrs here is translated as "witness" everywhere else in John's vision. This is linked to the 2 witnesses who lie dead in the wicked city of jerusalem in revelation 11 --and the wicked city of jersulaem is responsible for hte deaths of the saints as seen in Re 18:24 "And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints" - clearly this describes the prophets and saints killed in Jerusalem

Rev 17:16 And the beast will hate the harlot... it will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire -- zek157 - the harlot rides the beast (the Roman empire) and the harlot (Jerusalem) is then devoured by the Roman Empire - beast. This is a graphic description of the destruction of Jerusalem for in 70 AD the empire truly DID burn the cityof Jerusalem up with fire

The great city of Jerusalem, that God wanted for Himself, that Jerusalem had turned sinful itself and become a whore -- the whore city, Jerusalem

122 posted on 09/29/2020 7:28:46 AM PDT by Cronos (2001-2020)
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To: itsahoot

Tripe is the 19th century Darby philosophy called pre-Trib rapture, which isn’t biblical


123 posted on 09/29/2020 7:29:27 AM PDT by Cronos (2001-2020)
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To: Philsworld
after the fall of the pagan Roman Empire (after 476 AD) - Man, you have a lot of historical errors bottled in one place
  1. Rome was no longer page in 476 AD. As of 378 AD Christianity was the state religion
  2. The Roman empire didn't fall in 476 AD -- it fell in 1453 AD

three of the ten kingdoms the Roman Empire collapsed into -- Again, man the number of errors here is incredible - both historical and biblical - historically the Roman Empire collapsed in 1453, it didn't collapse into kingdoms, but was conquered wholly by the Ottoman empire. Or perhaps you mean the Western half of the empire - and err. no, it didn't collapse into 10 kingdoms. here's the state of the erstwhile roman lands in 500 AD

You see ten kingdoms here???

and biblically - read Dan 7 8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. and Dan 7:24 "He shall be different from the former ones and shall put down three kings" --> what is the HEBREW word used here for kings? It is "melek" - which translates as ROYAL, not necessarily king

This fits Nero who murdered Claudius, Agrippina and Britannicus.

124 posted on 09/29/2020 7:37:21 AM PDT by Cronos (2001-2020)
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To: Philsworld

And the rest of your post is equally historically and biblically wrong. Don’t adventists learn the bible or history? or did Ellen G White tell you not to?


125 posted on 09/29/2020 7:38:03 AM PDT by Cronos (2001-2020)
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To: Philsworld
And the rest of your post is equally historically and biblically wrong. Don't adventists learn the bible or history? or did Ellen G White tell you not to?

It will hold power and authority for 1260 years following the fall of pagan Rome -- firstly, the 1260 is of DAYS, as is apparent in the rest of daniel that interchanges that with 3.5 years or 42 months (1260 days)

Secondly, pagan Rome didn't fall -- Christian Rome fell in 1453. So you mean some place will rule until 2713?

Or you mean when pagan Rome was taken over by Christian Rome in 378 AD? So until 1638?

Man, you Adventists keep getting too much Ellen G White

126 posted on 09/29/2020 7:41:37 AM PDT by Cronos (2001-2020)
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To: Philsworld
Admit it - you Adventists revere your founding prophetess, Ellen G. White, and made this statement in their "Ministry" Magazine of Oct. 1981 and have never retracted it:

"We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White's writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the other".

They won't tell you too much about Ellen G. White at their public seminars, but their goal is to bring the person attending to the point of conversion and baptism.

p>Their 2000 baptismal certificate poses questions to which the candidate must answer "yes". Question 8 says,

"Do you accept the biblical teaching of spiritual gifts and believe that the gift of prophecy is one of the identifying marks of the remnant church".

If the candidate says "yes" and is baptised, they soon learn that the "gift of prophecy" is Ellen G. White's writings. Point 13 has them accepting that the SDA Church is the remnant church of Bible Prophecy. They have been baptized into an exclusive group, but they don't know how exclusive it is, yet!

No doubt they will be urged to avail themselves of a "Clear Word Bible". This publication of theirs has inserted the words and doctrines of Ellen G. White right into the Bible text, insuring that the person studying it will have the mind of Ellen G. White.

Ellen G. White wrote in Patriarchs and Prophets, page 761, "...He (Jesus) was revealed to them as the Angel of Jehovah, the Captain of the Lord's Host, Michael the Archangel".

Adventists, you can't have it both ways! Either Jesus Christ is God, or He is some kind of an Angel. You can't talk out of both sides of your mouth to try to cover up embarrassing statements by Ellen G. White. They won't tell you she was wrong - when its "her or the Bible", she always wins!

127 posted on 09/29/2020 7:44:06 AM PDT by Cronos (2001-2020)
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To: Philsworld
The Anti-Christ was Nero and fulfills Biblical prophecy.

Daniel 7 talks of 4 beasts and those are the 4 kingdoms in Daniel 2

Kingdom Dan 2 Dan 7
Babylon 32 This image's head was of fine gold, 4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
Achaemenid / Persian empire his breast and his arms of silver, And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. --- note 3 ribs: Medes, Persians and Babylonia
Macedonian/Greek empire is belly and his thighs of brass, 6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
Rome 33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

...40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
The Church of Christ, founded in 33 AD 34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Daniel is VERY clear that while the fourth kingdom is STILL in existence, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed" - the Church - It shall stand forever 2:44

During the Roman empire, the Messianic kingdom was established in 33AD and it destroyed the pagan Rome in 378 AD and God's Kingdom, the mountain spreads over the entire earth

The eternal Kingdom of Christ was set up at the first advent - the Church of the Apostles that is still in existence

128 posted on 09/29/2020 7:57:35 AM PDT by Cronos (2001-2020)
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To: Philsworld
The anti-Christ vision fits Nero perfectly.

The little horn "had a mouth that spoke great things" and "shall speak words against the Most high" (7:20, 25).

NERO blasphemed against God by aggressively enforcing emperor worship - down to getting the Sanhedrin to authorise Emperor worship in the temple grounds itself.

Even the uprooting of 3 other royalty is Nero uprooting AGrippina, Claudius and Britannicus

Daniel's vision even accurately predicts the death of Nero - His dominion shall be taken away, to be consumed and destroyed tot he end - 7:26 --> Nero's death ended the Julio-Claudian dynasty

We are even told the LENGTH of time during which the little horn will age war against "the law" -- read Dan 7:25 25 And he shall speak words against the High One, and shall crush the saints of the most High: and he shall think himself able to change times and laws, and they shall be delivered into his hand until a time, and times, and half a time. -- for a time (1) and times (2) and half a time (0.5) = 3.5 years. This is the 500 BC ancient way of saying 3.5 years.

The 3.5 years coincides precisely with the events in the first century -- the Jewish-Roman war lasted from February 67 AD to August 70 AD == 3.5 years or 42 months or 1260 days

129 posted on 09/29/2020 8:13:08 AM PDT by Cronos (2001-2020)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal; metmom

RWC — the demon possessed are rapturists who call Christ a liar and disbelieve his words that the destruction would occur during the generation of those listening to Him.

As seen here - the Book of Daniel clearly indicates the Kingdom of heaven set up in 70 AD with the destruction of the whore city of Jerusalem.

and RWC, you are not a true believer in Christ - you deny His teachings and His very words and follow instead the 19th century charlatan Darby’s teachings about the pre-Trib rapture.


130 posted on 09/29/2020 8:16:07 AM PDT by Cronos (2001-2020)
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To: Cronos

The 3.5 years coincides precisely with the events in the first century — the Jewish-Roman war lasted from February 67 AD to August 70 AD == 3.5 years or 42 months or 1260 days


Wrong. We are talking about prophetic time/year for a day principle.

http://aloha.net/~mikesch/times.htm


131 posted on 09/29/2020 9:28:37 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Cronos
What nine characteristics help us to identify the little horn power?

Location: out of 4th beast and among the ten horns (v.8) - The Papacy arose out of Rome among the ten tribal divisions of Rome

Timing: after the ten were established (v.8) - the Papacy became a political power by decree of the Roman emperor Justinian in AD 538 which was after the emergence of the ten tribal divisions that emerged as the Roman Empire fell apart in AD 476.

Uprooted three of the ten horns (v.8) - As the Papacy came to prominence, it influenced Pagan Roman armies to destroy three of the tribes which opposed its Christian doctrines. These three were the Vandals, Ostrogoths, and Heruli. The last of these was destroyed in AD 538 when Justinian’s decree went into effect.

Eyes and mouth of a man (v.8) - the Papacy has a man as its visible head.

Persecutes the saints (v.21, 25) - Ever hear of the Papal persecution during the dark ages - Inquisition, etc. More than 50 million Protestant Christians tortured and killed by the Catholic Church.

Different from the other ten horns (v.24) - the Papacy was a religio-political entity different from the kingdoms before it.

Speak out against God (v.8, 11, 20, 25) - Verse 8 says it will utter boastful or blasphemous things. One quote of many like it from Prompta Bibliothea Canonica Juridicia Moralis Theologica appearing in the Catholic Encyclopedia Volume VI, pp. 25-29, “The Pope is of so great dignity, and so exalted, that he is not a mere man, but as it were, God and the Vicar of God. The Pope is, as it were, God on earth, chief king of kings, having plentitude of power.”

Little Horn attempts to change God’s times and laws (v.25) - The Papacy deleted the second commandment of the Decalogue on idolatry, changed the Sabbath to Sunday in favour of sun worship and divided the tenth commandment on coveting into two parts to get back to Ten Commandments.

Have power for a time, times, and half a time (or three and a half years, forty two months, or 1260 days - see Revelation 12:6, 14) (v.25) - Applying the prophetic day for year principle established in Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6 that equals 1260 years. The Papacy lasted in primary power from AD 538 to 1798 in which year Napoleon’s general Berthier marched into Rome, deposed the Pope, and carried him into exile where he died.

132 posted on 09/29/2020 9:35:43 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Cronos

All these guys agree with me, and they’re not SDA.

http://www.redeemerfw.org/resources/reformers_antichrist.pdf


133 posted on 09/29/2020 9:38:13 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Cronos
The little horn "had a mouth that spoke great things" and "shall speak words against the Most high" (7:20, 25).

NERO blasphemed against God by aggressively enforcing emperor worship - down to getting the Sanhedrin to authorise Emperor worship in the temple grounds itself.

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NOT CORRECT ACCORDING TO THE DEFINITION OF BLASPHEMY IN THE BIBLE!

Blasphemy

The scriptures give us several examples of blasphemy:

Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. Mark 2:6 But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, Mark 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only? John 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

So, a man falsely claiming the power to forgive the sins of men, a man falsely claiming to be God on earth, and men falsely claiming to be the true church of God are all clearly defined as blasphemy. Note the following:

Priests and bishops are, as it were, the interpreters and heralds of God, commissioned in his name to teach mankind the" law of God, and the precepts of a Christian life—they are the representatives of God upon earth. Impossible, therefore, to conceive a more exalted dignity, or functions more sacred. Justly, therefore, are they called not only angels,' but gods.3 holding, as they do, the place and power and authority of God on earth. But the priesthood, at all times an elevated office, transcends in the New Law all others in dignity. The power of consecrating and offering the body and blood of our Lord and of remitting sin, with which the priesthood of the New Law is invested, is such as cannot be comprehended by the human mind, still less is it equalled by, or assimilated to, any thing on earth. Source: The Catechism of the Council of Trent (The Roman Catechism), Sacrament of Holy Orders, Dignity of this Sacrament.

Power of Consecrating

The third great power of the priestly office is the climax of all. It is the power of consecrating. "No act is greater," says saint Thomas, "than the consecration of the body of Christ." In this essential phase of the sacred ministry, the power of the priest is not surpassed by that of the bishop, the archbishop, the cardinal or the pope. Indeed it is equal to that of Jesus Christ. For in this role the priest speaks with the voice and the authority of God Himself.

When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heaven, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the victim for the sins of man. It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperors. It is greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed, it is greater than the power of the Virgin Mary. While the blessed virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal victim for the sins of man-not once, but, a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ the eternal and omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest's command.

[pg.271] Of what sublime dignity is the office of the Christian priest who is thus privileged to act as the ambassador and the vicegerent of Christ on earth. He continues the essential ministry of Christ - he teaches the faithful with the authority of Christ, he offers up again the same sacrifice of adoration and atonement which Christ offered on Calvary. No wonder that the name which spiritual writers are especially fond of applying to the priest is that of "alter Christus." For the priest is and should be another Christ.

Source: Faith of Millions, by Reverend John A. O'brien, Copyright 1938, published by Our Sunday Visitor, Huntington Indiana, page 270, 271.

Thus the priest may, in a certain manner, be called the creator of his Creator, ...

"The power of the priest," says St. Bernadine of Sienna, "is the power of the divine person; for the transubstantiation of the bread requires as much power as the creation of the world."

As the Word of God created heaven and earth, so, says St. Jerome, the words of the priest create Jesus Christ.

Source: The Dignity and Duties of the Priest or Selva, by St. Alphonsus de Liguori, translated from the Italian, edited by Eugene Grimm, copyright 1927 by Very Rev. James Barron, C.SS.R, pgs. 32, 33.

"In this moment, the priest quite literally becomes Christ Himself: his own personality is blotted out; it is absorbed in that of the everlasting priest who is, at one time, the offered victim and the supreme officiant." Source: This is The Mass, Henri Daniel-Rops, Fulton J. Sheen, Yousuf Karsh, trans. with annotations by Alastair Guinan, New York: Hawthorn Books, Inc., 1965. First ed. 1958, p. 118. Nihil Obstat: Robert E. Hunt, S.T. D., Censor Librorum. Imprimatur: Thomas A. Boland, S.T.D. Archbishop of Newark.

134 posted on 09/29/2020 9:52:07 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Cronos

Read it if you have the guts

http://aloha.net/~mikesch/vatican.htm


135 posted on 09/29/2020 9:53:04 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld
Nah, your 1260 as years is biblically false --> read Dan 7:25
25 And he shall speak words against the High One, and shall crush the saints of the most High: and he shall think himself able to change times and laws, and they shall be delivered into his hand until a time, and times, and half a time.
-- for a time (1) and times (2) and half a time (0.5) = 3.5 years. This is the 500 BC ancient way of saying 3.5 years.

Did you even read where the 1260 is in? it's in Rev 11:3 I will commission my two witnesses[c] to prophesy for those twelve hundred and sixty days, wearing sackcloth

The two witnesses in Jerusalem "the city where their Lord was crucified" - and before that whore city is destroyed and consumed by the beast (imperial roman empire) in 70 AD

136 posted on 09/29/2020 9:53:28 AM PDT by Cronos (2001-2020)
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To: Cronos

CRONOS, THE BIBLE SAYS IT AND SO DOES YOUR CHURCH.

The “Mother” Church

The woman of Revelation 17 is the mother church, with apostate daughters:

Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Only the Roman Catholic Church claims to be the “mother” Christian church:

The term Mother Church, however, as applied to Rome, has a special significance as indicating its headship of all churches.

Source: The Catholic Encyclopedia, copyright 1909, 1913, Volume 6, entry on Filial Church (daughter church), pg. 72.

And in this way the Church is increasingly a Mother, a Mother of many, many children: she becomes a Mother, ever more fully a Mother, a Mother who gives us faith, a Mother who gives us our identity. But Christian identity is not an identity card. Christian identity means being a member of the Church, since all these people belonged to the Church, to Mother Church, for apart from the Church it is not possible to find Jesus. The great Paul VI said: it is an absurd dichotomy to wish to live with Jesus but without the Church, to follow Jesus but without the Church, to love Jesus but without the Church (cf. Evangelii Nuntiandi, 16). And that Mother Church who gives us Jesus also gives us an identity which is not simply a rubber stamp: it is membership. Identity means membership, belonging. Belonging to the Church: this is beautiful! — Pope Francis’ homily during Mass with the Cardinals present in Rome at the Pauline Chapel for the Feast of Saint George, April 23, 2013.

10. ... “It must always be clear, when the expression sister churches is used in this proper sense that the one, holy, catholic and apostolic universal church is not sister but mother of all the particular churches.”

Source: Note on the Expression Sister Churches by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone, SDB, June 30, 2000.

In the recent document Memory and Reconciliation, where the Roman Catholic Church discusses its asking forgiveness for its past sins of persecution, section 3.4 specifically addresses “The Motherhood of the Church”:

The conviction that the Church can make herself responsible for the sin of her children by virtue of the solidarity that exists among them through time and space because of their incorporation into Christ and the work of the Holy Spirit, is expressed in a particularly effective way in the idea of “Mother Church” (“Mater Ecclesia”), ...

Source: The Document: MEMORY AND RECONCILIATION.

2. ... in every land where the Catholic religion flourishes the Roman Church, mother and mistress of all Churches, is duly reverenced, as it should be, with one mind and heart.

Source: EXEUNTE IAM ANNO, ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII ON THE RIGHT ORDERING OF CHRISTIAN LIFE, Dec. 25th, 1888.

Furthermore, to check unbridled spirits, it [The Council of Trent] decrees that no one relying on his own judgment shall, in matters of faith and morals pertaining to the edification of Christian doctrine, distorting the Holy Scriptures in accordance with his own conceptions, presume to interpret them contrary to that sense which holy mother Church, to whom it belongs to judge of their true sense and interpretation, has held and holds, or even contrary to the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, even though such interpretations should never at any time be published. Those who act contrary to this shall be made known by the ordinaries and punished in accordance with the penalties prescribed by law.

Source: The Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent, English Translation, by Rev. H. J. Schroeder, O.P., Copyright 1941 by B. Herder Book Co., Copyright 1978 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., Library of Congress Catalogue Number: 78-66132, ISBN 0-89555-074-1, pages 18-19.

Extract from Pope Gregory VII’s Letter to the Bishop of Metz, 1081 Doeberl, op. cit. iii. 40 sqq. Mirbt, No. 297

The holy fathers, as well in general councils as in their writings and doings, have called the Holy Roman Church the universal mother, accepting and serving with great veneration this institution founded by the divine will, this pledge of a dispensation to the church, this privilege entrusted in the beginning and confirmed to St. Peter the chief of the apostles.

Source: Documents of the Christian Church, Second Edition, selected and Edited by Henry Bettenson, Copyright by Oxford University Press 1963, ISBN 0-19-501293-3, pages 105-106.

I acknowledge the holy Catholic and apostolic Roman Church as the mother and teacher of all churches; and to the Roman Pontiff, the successor of the blessed Peter, chief of the Apostles and vicar of Jesus Christ, I promise and swear true obedience.

Source: The Profession of Faith of the Council of Trent, from the Bull of Pius IV, “Iniunctum nobis,” Nov. 13, 1565, Denzinger, Enchiridion Symbolorum, Thirtieth Edition, translated by Roy J. Deferrari in The Sources of Catholic Dogma, Copyright 1957 by B. Herder Book Co., pg. 303.


137 posted on 09/29/2020 9:56:36 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld
Location: out of 4th beast and among the ten horns (v.8) - The Papacy arose out of Rome among the ten tribal divisions of Rome

What are you talking about???

there were no 10 tribal divisions of rome -- Rome had 30 tribes established by Servius Tullius in 578 BC. It went down to 20 at the beginning of the republic but then pushed up to 35 in 241 BC

Where do you get "ten tribal divisions of Rome"

Your biblical knowledge is as flawed as your historical

138 posted on 09/29/2020 9:56:44 AM PDT by Cronos (2001-2020)
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To: Philsworld
Timing: after the ten were established (v.8) - the Papacy became a political power by decree of the Roman emperor Justinian in AD 538

Wait a minute -- you said "It will rise to be a great power after the fall of the pagan Roman Empire (after 476 AD)"

So, you are now saying that there was a Roman emperor after the fall of the Roman empire in your head?

139 posted on 09/29/2020 9:58:36 AM PDT by Cronos (2001-2020)
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To: Philsworld
became a political power by decree of the Roman emperor Justinian in AD 538 which was after the emergence of the ten tribal divisions that emerged as the Roman Empire fell apart in AD 476.

So, so very wrong historically

Firstly - Justinian did nothing in 538 AD. In fact the Pope in 538 Ad, Vigilius was arrested and imprisoned in 545 AD by Justinian

Secondly, there were NO "ten tribal divisions of Rome" - what are you smoking?

Thirdly, the Roman Empire didn't "fall apart in 476 AD

140 posted on 09/29/2020 10:03:26 AM PDT by Cronos (2001-2020)
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