From Atheism To Faith In God ~ The Unbelieving Scientist And The Creationist

[JAG 5000]

JAG Writes: From Atheism to Saving Faith In God

Scientist: I sometimes wonder if our "Natural Selection" can actually carry the heavy load we have placed upon it?

Creationist: I too have some doubts. I don't always fully understand the Creation Story in Genesis. Some of your fellow scientists have accused me of believing in a "talking snake"

Scientist: Well, they ought not to have accused you of that. Obviously the snake was metaphorical language, everybody knows snakes cannot talk.

Creationist: Thanks I'm glad you understand that. The snake represented Evil and delivered the message that Evil always delivers.

Scientist: What message is that?

Creationist: That humans can be their own God.

Scientist: I don't understand. What do you mean "be their own God"?

Creationist: Its easy to understand. The snake, that is Evil, told Eve that if she ignored God's commands and did what she wanted to do, that she would become like God.

Scientist: What was the exact words and where is that found?

Creationist: The exact words were "you will be like God" and its found in Genesis 3:5

Scientist: You believe Christ saved us from Evil, is that correct?

Creationist: Yes that's right, the Lord Jesus saved us from Evil, the Evil that will destroy our souls if we do not have a Savior to deliver us from the strength and power of Evil.

Scientist: I don't understand that. Explain to me how Jesus can deliver us from Evil and prevent us from being destroyed by it.

Creationist: Jesus took your punishment on the Cross.

Scientist: I don't understand that. That makes no sense to me.

Creationist: Its not difficult to understand, Evil is not only severely punishable but it will also destroy the total person if it is not stopped and reversed.

Scientist: You said Evil is punishable?

Creationist: That is correct. The Bible teaches that God will punish all men who do evil.

Scientist: Well, I know that all men have done at least some Evil.

Creationist: That is correct and God will punish men for all their Evil if they do not believe in His Son the Lord Jesus who took their punishment in their place.

Scientist: In their place?

Creationist: Yes in their place on the Cross. Christ took your punishment so you would not have to bear it yourself.

Scientist: Where in the Bible does it say that?

Creationist: In 1 Peter 2:24 it says "He himself bore our sins" in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed."

Scientist: My mother taught me the words of John 3:16 when I was a young boy, and I have never forgotten them, it goes like this "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have Eternal Life."

Creationist: Yes, for God so loved the world that He punished His own Son for the sins of the world so that we humans would not have to bear the excruciating pain and agony that Christ bore for us on the Cross.

Scientist: I once, long ago, prayed the sinner's prayer. I remember I prayed to God something along the lines of "Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe You died for my sins and rose from the dead. I turn from my sins and invite You to come into my heart and life. I want to trust and follow You as my Lord and Savior."

Creationist: Did you understand what you were praying?

Scientist: No at the time I did not. In fact I have never understood it.

Creationist: There is nothing more profound than the simple words of John 3:16.

Scientist: Christianity has always seems complicated to me. Are you saying that Christianity is simple and not complicated?

Creationist: Yes and quite simple too.

Scientist: Can you give an example of Christianity's simplicity?

Creationist: A man known to be a brilliant intellectual was asked to deliver a speech to a college assembly and he was asked to present the most profound truth he had ever come across in his decades of studies. When the time came for his speech, he walked to the podium and looked out over the audience for a long time, without saying a word. Time passed and people began to get nervous. At long last the speaker spoke and he said this, "Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so." Then without saying another word he went back to his seat. Many in the audience wept silently as the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit made that brief message real to their hearts.

Ending:

The Scientist once again prayed the simple sinner's prayer and he prayed from his heart "Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe You died for my sins and rose from the dead. I turn from my sins and invite You to come into my heart and life. I want to trust and follow You as my Lord and Savior."

Then an amazing thing happened. The supernatural power of the Holy Spirit enlightened the mind of the Scientist so that he could now understand spiritual truths and the Scientist turned away from his Atheism and became a believing Christian.

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"The Lord Has Laid On Him The Iniquity Of Us All" , , , "He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all." Isaiah 53:3-6

JAG

[freedumb2003]

You (or the author) make the standard strawman logical fallacy of lumping scientists, atheists and those who understand TToE into one.

Then you compound it by doing putting strawmen arguments that any real scientist would never make into the mouth of the golem you created.

Deception at the VERY least. To be charitable I will write it off to unchecked completely emotional zeal.

[Honorary Serb]

From a REAL scientist (who is an Orthodox Christian):

Evolution is true. But we don’t understand how it works!!!!

[Phinneous]

Happy 5781st birthday of the world to all!!!

[blackpacific]

What does the phrase “those who understand The Theory of Everything” mean?

[blackpacific]

Jag,
I am reading a fascinating book by Fr. Martin von Cochem, written in 1704. He makes the case that John 3:16 must be understood in the context of Johh 6:54-7, the first passage being the what and the second being the how.

[freedumb2003]

42.

[freedumb2003]

>>Evolution is true. But we don’t understand how it works!!!!<<

OTOH it has a huge step up on gravity :)

[blackpacific]

Material reality is a shadow of immaterial reality.

[JAG 5000]

Jag,
I am reading a fascinating book by
Fr. Martin von Cochem, written in
1704. He makes the case that John 3:16
must be understood in the context of
Johh 6:54-7, the first passage being
the what and the second being the
how.:__Blackpacific

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Thanks for your comment.

You interpret John 6:54- 57 figuratively I hope,
and not literally, right?

Best.

JAG

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[JAG 5000]

“You (or the author) make the standard strawman logical fallacy of lumping scientists, atheists and those who understand TToE into one.

Then you compound it by doing putting strawmen arguments that any real scientist would never make into the mouth of the golem you created.

Deception at the VERY least. To be charitable I will write it off to unchecked completely emotional zeal.”___FreeDumb

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I wrote each and every word of that OP. Did you not see “JAG Writes” at the beginning?

Also my story is about Salvation and NOT about your precious god named False-god-Science.

And the people bowed and prayed
to the False-god-Science they’d made.

Best.

JAG

[JAG 5000]

“From a REAL scientist (who is an
Orthodox Christian):

Evolution is true. But we don’t
understand how it works!!!!”___Honarary Serb

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Thanks for your comment.

My story is mainly about Salvation.
Why focus on Evolution for the comments?

JAG

[freedumb2003]

>>I wrote each and every word of that OP. Did you not see “JAG Writes” at the beginning?<<

More’s the pity. Logic seems to be a problem for you.

>>Also my story is about Salvation and NOT about your precious god named False-god-Science.<<

Not my takeaway. How did you post this using the atheist-developed science-y thingabob? If science=atheism=evil you really need to join the Amish.

>>And the people bowed and prayed
to the False-god-Science they’d made.<<

How precious.

[freedumb2003]

>>Why focus on Evolution for the comments?<<

Things that make you go “hmmmm.”

[blackpacific]

No it is literal, it is His GLORIFIED body. This is what the Church has always taught. He also affirmed this in John 6 and when the doctrine of the True Presence was too hard for some, He let them walk away.

It is not the passive body He had before the Resurrection which while not having any sin in it was capable of pain.

[JAG 5000]

“No it is literal, it is His
GLORIFIED body. This is what
the Church has always taught.
He also affirmed this in John
6 and when the doctrine of the
True Presence was too hard for
some, He let them walk away.

It is not the passive body He
had before the Resurrection which
while not having any sin in it
was capable of pain.”___Blackpacific

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If you want to believe that its literal,
that is okay with me. I believe your heart
is in the right place, and I say God bless
you. Christendom has enough problems 21st
century, and does not need Protestants
and Catholics cannibalizing each other
over minor points of doctrine.

Best.

JAG

Scot Me Up Beamy.

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[JAG 5000]

“More’s the pity. Logic seems to be a problem for you.”___Freedumb

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I am happy to be able to report that YOU
are not The Authority on what is, or is not,
Logical.

Best.

JAG

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[freedumb2003]

>>I am happy to be able to report that YOU
are not The Authority on what is, or is not,
Logical<<

One need not be The Authority. Just know logic. Anyone can do it. Even you.

[blackpacific]

Well Jag, I appreciate your kindness. The doctrine of the Eucharist is not a trivial thing and it does not lend one who has Faith in it to pride, in fact it is a very humbling reality that challenges the human intellect, to believe without sight/touch/taste/smell. As the Pange Lingua hymn of St. Thomas Aquinas summarizes it, “Let the Faith supply what the senses cannot give”.

Here is a complete translation:
1 Now, my tongue, the mystery telling
of the glorious body sing,
and the blood, all price excelling,
which the Gentiles’ Lord and King,
in a Virgin’s womb once dwelling,
shed for this world’s ransoming.
2 Given for us, and condescending
to be born for us below,
he, with us in converse blending,
dwelt the seed of truth to sow,
till he closed with wondrous ending
his most patient life of woe.
3 That last night, at supper lying,
‘mid the Twelve, his chosen band,
Jesus, with the law complying,
keeps the feast its rites demand;
then, more precious food supplying,
gives himself with his own hand.
4 Word-made-flesh, true bread he maketh
by his word his flesh to be,
wine his blood; which whoso taketh
must from carnal thoughts be free:
faith alone, though sight forsaketh,
shows true hearts the mystery.
5 Therefore we, before him bending,
this great sacrament revere:
types and shadows have their ending,
for the newer rite is here;
faith, our outward sense befriending,
makes our inward vision clear.
6 Glory let us give and blessing
to the Father and the Son,
honour, might, and praise addressing,
while eternal ages run;
ever too his love confessing,
who, from both, with both is One. Amen

[JAG 5000]

“Well Jag, I appreciate your kindness. The doctrine of the Eucharist is not a trivial thing and it does not lend one who has Faith in it to pride, in fact it is a very humbling reality that challenges the human intellect, to believe without sight/touch/taste/smell. As the Pange Lingua hymn of St. Thomas Aquinas summarizes it, “Let the Faith supply what the senses cannot give”.””___Blackpacific.

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I understand, but I have been a Protestant my entire life and you don’t want me to become a Catholic, do you? I can’t do that — even though I love my Catholic brothers and sisters very much. All my family are Baptists and we go to Baptist Church that we love just as much as you love your church.

God Bless.

JAG

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