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Posted on 09/13/2020 6:09:42 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal

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God mad HIS Salvation so easy it is ONLY operant by faith in Whom He sent, with no list of works added. Period.

Faith without works (and obedience) is a dead faith. That’s one of the clearest messages from God there is in the new testament.

41 posted on 09/14/2020 11:09:28 AM PDT by Philsworld
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Your side has consistently says that the Antichrist shows up after the 7 year tribulation starts and you are long gone. But, you refuse to discuss Anything that may identify him. You ignore the subject like the plague. And, I’ve never heard you tell anyone that the restrainer of the Antichrist was identified long ago by the early church fathers. You are purposely withholding facts from people. Someone brings it up (like me) and the name calling begins.

The Protestant Reformers only knew of one Antichrist and they certainly identified him/that power. Did they just pull that name out of a hat or did they use bible prophecy to clearly identify him? Why don’t you ever mention that fact?

They all knew that the Antichrist, little horn, man of sin, comes right out of the 4th beast, which is pagan Rome. Anything from you on that? nope.

All of you know who the Antichrist is, but you refuse to say it because if you do the pre trib rapture theory is dead and you can’t have that, can you?

42 posted on 09/14/2020 11:27:38 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld

Its priest-king will make great and blasphemous claims

Blasphemy in the bible is defined as saying you are God or equal to Him or, able to forgive sins, which only God can do. Know anyone right now who claims that?

It will claim its power to change the holy times and laws of God as its mark of authority

Know anyone right now who claims to have changed the law of God, specifically the Holy Seventh-day-Sabbath worship to Sunday (4th commandment), and the second and 10th commandments too? Anyone?

It will be a persecuting power, killing the faithful saints of Jesus Christ as heretics

Know anyone responsible for torturing and murdering literally hundreds of millions of people (saints) all in the name of heresy, as a fact of public record and history?

It will hold power and authority for 1260 years following the fall of pagan Rome
It will suffer a deadly wound that will end 1260 years of dominance and persecution
It will be revived after the deadly wound, and all the world would wonder at its revival

Know any religious entity that RULED for exactly 1260 years on this earth, saying they were Christ on earth, able to forgive sins, changing God’s Holy law, torturing and murdering his saints? Does that ring a bell for anyone?

EVERYONE OF YOU KNOWS THE TRUTH but you will never admit it because that means your precious theory is DOA, DONE, FINISHED. Can you tell me anyone who fits the biblical identity of the Antichrist/little horn/man of sin, other than the Catholic church/pope? I’m listening. If you want to stop being dishonest, tell the truth. Who is it?

43 posted on 09/14/2020 12:07:27 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld
The Preterist Seventh Day Adventist cultist post:
44 posted on 09/14/2020 12:53:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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You should have posted a picture of an elephant, because the elephant in the room is the fact that God identifies the Antichrist. You refusing to address it only tells God that you are not with Him and to prepare for eternal damnation. Yeah, strong words, I know. It’s no different than straight up lying by omission. You are guilty and God will hold you guilty. Who knows how many people will be lost because you won’t address the fact that God clearly identifies the Antichrist and you refuse to admit it, all in the name of perpetuating Satan’s lie. I say this in all honesty and civility.

45 posted on 09/14/2020 1:40:40 PM PDT by Philsworld
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By your own definition you are a TROLL, because you don't care about facts. I'm giving you plenty of facts, which you are afraid of. I'm not looking for a fight from you. I'm looking for the TRUTH from you.
46 posted on 09/14/2020 1:45:18 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: MHGinTN; All

Martin Luther:

“The Pope is … the true Antichrist, of whom it is written, that he sitteth in the temple of God, among the people where Christ is worshiped…

“But Papists want to divert this passage from themselves, and they say that Christ and Paul speak about the temple at Jerusalem, and that Antichrist shall sit there and rule; that will not do. … It cannot be understood otherwise than of the new spiritual temple, which he says we are.

“There shall the Pope sit and he honoured, not above God, but above all that is called God. … So also we see it before our eyes, that many princes and the world regard his law higher and more than the commandments of God. … Cannot this rightly be termed exalting and honouring Antichrist above God?” - Luther’s Church Postil,” “Gospels,” 25th Sunday after Trinity, par. 24, 25, Part 2, pp. 734, 735. Stavanger, Norway: 1862.

Luther further declares:

“Therefore, let whosoever will doubt, God’s word and the proper divine worship convinces me sufficiently that the Pope is the Antichrist, and the ecclesiastical orders are his disciples, which deceive the whole world.” - Id., Part 1, p. 379.

“I hope that the last day is at the door. Things could not become worse than the Roman see makes it. It suppresses the commandments of God, it exalts its own commandments above God’s. If this is not Antichrist, then some one else must tell what it is.” - “Luther’s Reformatory Works,” p. 280. Copenhagen: 1883.

“The Pope is the real Antichrist.” - Id., p. 278.

47 posted on 09/14/2020 2:21:24 PM PDT by Philsworld
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48 posted on 09/15/2020 4:30:13 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: MHGinTN; All

49 posted on 09/15/2020 4:58:28 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld
1 John 3:9

The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. ESV

For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.NKJV

50 posted on 09/15/2020 6:26:50 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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Cannot sin. Or, “is not able to go on sinning,” or “is not able to go on habitually sinning.” This does not mean that the Christian is incapable of committing a wrong act. If he were unable to sin, there would be no virtue in his being without sin, and there would be no true development of character. John has already implied that he will make occasional mistakes (see on ch. 2:1). The passage means that, having been born of God, and having God’s life-giving power dwelling in him, he cannot continue his old pattern of habitual sin. He now follows the sinless ideals that have been implanted in his soul by the new birth.
51 posted on 09/15/2020 7:24:28 AM PDT by Philsworld
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1 John 3:6

Sinneth not. Or, “does not continue to sin,” or “does not habitually sin,” as the form of the Greek verb implies. The apostle is here speaking of habitual sin, not of occasional mistakes which every Christian is prone to make (see on ch. 2:1). John knows that Christians are inveigled into sin (ch. 1:8, 10), but he also knows the remedy for such failures (chs. 1:9; 2:1). Here he is speaking of the ideal state that is attainable by one who habitually abides in the protecting presence of the sinless Saviour.

Whosoever sinneth. That is, whosoever habitually sins (see above on “whosoever abideth”). John refers to the one who habitually sins, the one who continues to practice sin.

52 posted on 09/15/2020 7:28:27 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld

Your carnal mind is unable to see the SPIRITUAL so it focuses upon the carnality. The spirit is the portion of the born agains that is indwelt by the Spirit of God, not the flesh (the behavior mechanism of soul and body). The Word of God is sharper than any two-edged sword able to separate soul and spirit. The separated spirit has the eed of Him abiding there so it cannot sin. The flesh? well it goes on sinning since it is all that it knows to do. BUT even it can be slowly renewed by spirit guidance. ‘Be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind’ wrote Paul.

53 posted on 09/15/2020 7:34:48 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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Maybe you should re read posts 51 and 52.

We have the Holy Spirit indwelt in us but we also have FREE CHOICE.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

54 posted on 09/15/2020 7:46:56 AM PDT by Philsworld
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Tinman, you need to read the prophecy of Jesus in the Olivet discourse (which is about the destruction of Jerusalem in 69 AD) and what the revelations in the book of Revelations says

Apocalypse 13:16-18 is based on Ezekiel 8 and 9. The "mark" symbolized the spiritual condition of the inhabitants of Jerusalem. The ones with the "mark" were in allegiance with God. However, in Apocalypse, the mark is reversed. That is to say, the mark was on those who were against God and had allegiance to the "beast."

John wrote that the number "is the number of a man's name; and his number is 666." This tells us that those who received the "mark" were actually in allegiance with a "man," an actually person of the first century. So, who was he? Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus! Better known as Nero Caesar.

John used a puzzle called gematria in which numbers are used to represent certain letters. John used this puzzle to reveal Nero without actually writing down his name. Remember, the early churches were being persecuted during this time—not only from the Jews, but also from the Romans. The numerical values of the Hebrew letters in Neron Kesar (Nero Caesar) are:

Nero's Name

Nero Caesar fits the gematria code number "666." Using this code, his name would be rendered as "NRWN QSR." (NRWN QSR). The number values are:

N = 50
R = 200
W = 6
N = 50
Q = 100
S = 60
R = 200

which, when added together, equals 666. The fact that Nero fits the description of the "beast" is well documented. According to Suetonius, he murdered his parents, wife, brother, aunt, and many others close to him and of high station in Rome. He was a torturer, a homosexual rapist, and a sodomite. He even married two young boys and paraded them around as his wives. One of the boys, whose name was Sporus, was castrated by Nero. He was truly bestial in his character, depravity, and actions. He devised a kind of game: covered with the skin of some wild animal, he was let loose from a cage and attacked the private parts of men and women, who were bound at stakes. He also initiated the war against the Jews which led to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD..

Nero’s persecution, which was initiated in A.D.64, was the first ever Roman assault on Christianity. Roman historian Tacitus (A.D. 56-117) spoke of Nero's "cruel nature" that "put to death so many innocent men." He records the scene in Rome when the persecution of Christians broke out: "And their death was aggravated with mockeries, insomuch that, wrapped in the hides of wild beasts, they were torn to pieces by dogs, or fastened to crosses to be set on fire, that when the darkness fell they might be burned to illuminate the night." Christians were crucified, beheaded, burnt alive, and used as torches to light the palace gardens. Historically, Nero is the one that persecuted Christians beyond all comparison. St. John’s banishment to Patmos (where he wrote the book of Apocalypse) was itself a result of the great persecution of Nero. The apostle Paul was tortured and then beheaded by the evil Emperor Nero at Rome in A.D. 67. The apostle Peter, who was crucified upside down, was another victim of Nero, .

As Church father Eusebius notes: "Nero was the first of the emperors who showed himself an enemy of the divine religion." Sulpicius Severus concurs: "He first attempted to abolish the name of Christian." In his Annals, Roman historian Tacitus points to those who were persecuted as "those who . . . were vulgarly called Christians." Roman historian Suetonius concurs, for in a list of the few "positive" contributions of Nero as emperor, he includes the fact that Nero persecuted Christians: "During his reign many abuses were severely punished and put down, and no fewer new laws were made:. . . . Punishment was inflicted on the Christians, a class of men given to a new and mischievous superstition."

Noted church historian J. L. von Mosheim wrote of Nero's persecution: "Foremost in the rank of those emperors, on whom the church looks back with horror as her persecutors, stands Nero, a prince whose conduct towards the Christians admits of no palliation, but was to the last degree unprincipled and inhuman. The dreadful persecution which took place by order of this tyrant, commenced at Rome about the middle of November, in the year of our Lord 64. . . . This dreadful persecution ceased but with the death of Nero. The empire, it is well known, was not delivered from the tyranny of this monster until the year 68, when he put an end to his own life." (L. von Mosheim, Historical Commentaries, I:138,139).

His bestial cruelty is evidenced in the writings of the Roman historian Suetonius (A.D. 70-160), who speaks of Nero's "cruelty of disposition" evidencing itself at an early age. He documents Nero's evil and states: "neither discrimination or moderation [were employed] in putting to death whosoever he pleased on any pretext whatever." Suetonius notes that Nero "compelled four hundred senators and six hundred Roman knights, some of whom were well to do and of unblemished reputation, to fight in the arena."

Roman naturalist Pliny the Elder (A.D. 23-79) described Nero as "the destroyer of the human race" and "the poison of the world." Roman satirist Juvenal (A.D. 60-140) speaks of "Nero's cruel and bloody tyranny." Elsewhere, he calls Nero a "cruel tyrant."

Nero so affected the imagination that the pagan writer Apollinius of Tyana, a contemporary of Nero, specifically mentions that Nero was called a "beast": "In my travels, which have been wider than ever man yet accomplished, I have seen many, many wild beasts of Arabia and India; but this beast, that is commonly called a Tyrant, I know not how many heads it has, nor if it be crooked of claw, and armed with horrible fangs. . . . And of wild beasts you cannot say that they were ever known to eat their own mother, but Nero has gorged himself on this diet."

How Nero fulfills Prophesy

In Apocalypse 13:7, the Beast is said to "make war with the saints and to overcome them." Apocalypse 13:5 says that the beast would conduct such blasphemous warfare for a specific period of time: 42 months. The Neronic persecution was instituted in 64 AD and lasted until his death in June 68 AD, which is three and a half years, or 42 months! Nero fits the bill for the role of the beast!

Apocalypse 13:10 and 14 says the Beast not only slays by the sword, but ultimately is to die of a sword wound. Do you know how Nero died? According to Suetonius, he "drove a dagger into his throat, aided by Epaphroditus, his private secretary" (ch.49). Nero killed with the sword and was killed by the sword. That Nero did, in fact, kill by the sword is a well-attested fact. Paul, for example, is said to have died under Nero by decapitation by means of the sword. Tertullian credits "Nero's cruel sword" as providing the martyr's blood as seed for the church. He urges his Roman readers to "Consult your histories; you will there find that Nero was the first who assailed with the imperial sword the Christian sect."

Nero died in the middle of the war on June 8th, 68 AD, and Vespasian went back to Rome to fight to become the new emperor. During this time the Christians fled Jerusalem because they heeded the warning of Matthew 24:16; the Jews thought the respite was a sign from God of victory and they gathered in Jerusalem in great numbers. The Romans came back and destroyed the city.

Apocalypse 17:3 tells us that the beast is red. The red color may be indicative of the bloodshed caused by the beast. But Suetonius writes of the legend associated with Nero's ancestral parentage, which explains why he had a red beard, which was very unusual in those times.

Apocalypse 17:10 says, "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." The five "kings" were not ruling at the same time, for the text stated "five are fallen," meaning that five of those kings had come and gone. Then "one is," meaning the "king" who was ruling at the time Apocalypse was written. Here, in this verse, we have one of the clearest proofs for Nero being the beast. If we simply examine the list of Roman Emperors, we will be able to determine who the sixth king was. Flavius Josephus clearly points out that Julius Caesar was the first emperor of Rome, followed by Augustus; Tiberius; Caius (Caligula); Claudius; and the sixth emperor was…Nero (Antiquities, books 18 and 19), who assumed imperial power upon the death of the fifth emperor, Claudius, in October, A.D. 54. The matter is confirmed just a little later in the writings of Roman historians: Suetonius (Lives of the Twelve Caesars and Dio Cassius, Roman History 5). Nero reigned from 54AD to June of 68AD. John informs us that the seventh king was "not yet come." That would be Galba, who assumed power upon Nero's death in June, A.D. 68. But he was only to continue a "short space." As a matter of historical fact, his reign lasted but six months until January 15, A.D. 69.

What about the Beast's death-wound and his subsequent resurrection? Let us now consider John's revelation of the Beast arising from the dead (Apocalypse 13:3-4). At this point we need to reflect upon a most significant series of historical events of the A.D. 60s. First, with the death of Nero, the Roman Empire's founding family vanished from rule. Following the death of Nero was the extinction of the Julian line. Immediately, the Roman Empire was hurled into civil wars of horrible ferocity and dramatic proportions. These civil wars would strike everyone as being the very death throes of Rome, the Beast generically considered. Before the world's startled eyes, the seven-headed Beast (Rome) was toppling to its death as its sixth head (Nero) was mortally wounded with the sword.

Tacitus's detailed account of the ruin wreaked upon Rome almost equals in psychological horror, cultural devastation, and human carnage that which befell Jerusalem during the Jewish War, as recorded by Josephus and Tactius. The Roman civil wars were the first fruits of Nero's death. Josephus records that the destruction was so horrible, that the general Vespasian, "was not able to apply himself further in other wars when his native country was laid waste." Josephus agrees that during this time Rome was brought near to utter "ruin." He notes that "about this time it was that heavy calamities came about Rome on all sides." According to 4 Ezra 12:16-19, written around A.D. 100, the Empire was "in danger of falling": "In the midst of the time of that kingdom great struggles shall arise, and it shall be in danger of falling; nevertheless it shall not fall then, but shall regain its former power."

But what eventually occurred at the end of these death throes? Suetonius informs us that: "The empire, which for a long time had been unsettled and, as it were, drifting through the usurpation and violent death of three emperors, was at last taken in hand given stability by the Flavian family." Josephus sets forth this view of things when he writes: "So upon this confirmation of Vespasian's entire government, which was now settled, and upon the unexpected deliverance of the public affairs of the Romans from ruin, Vespasian turned his thoughts to what remained unsubdued in Judea." Thus, after a time of grievous civil wars, the Empire was revived by the ascending of Vespasian to the purple.

The point is not that Nero’s name is the primary identification of 666. The point is, instead, what the number meant to the seven churches. St. John’s Biblically informed readers will have already recognized many clear indications of the Beast’s identity. Nero arrived on the scene as the first great persecutor of the Church, the embodiment of the "666-ness" of the Empire, and – Lo and behold! – his very name spells out 666! It is significant that "all the earliest Christian writers on the Apocalypse, from Irenaeus down to Victorious of Pettau and Commodian in the fourth, and Andreas in the fifth, and St. Beatus in the eighth century, connect Nero, or some Roman emperor, with the Apocalyptic Beast ." There should be no reasonable doubt about this identification. St. John was writing to first-century Christians, warning them of things that were "shortly" to take place. They were engaged in the most crucial battle of history, against the Dragon and the evil Empire which he possessed. The purpose of the Apocalypse was to comfort the Church with the assurance that God was in control, so that even the awesome might of the Dragon and the Beast would not stand before the armies of Jesus Christ. Christ was wounded in His heel on Friday, the sixth day, the Day of the Beast – yet that is the day He crushed the Dragon’s head. At his most powerful, St. John says, the Beast is just a six, or a series of sixes; never a seven.

It is charged by some that Neron Kesar is merely a convenient "misspelling" of Nero’s name in Hebrew. This objection overlooks the fact that before the modern introduction of dictionaries the world was simply not as concerned as we are about uniformity in the spelling of names. Alternate spellings were common (e.g. "Joram" and "Jehoram" in the Old Testament), especially in the transliteration of words into a foreign tongue. But the allegation of misspelling is wholly wrong anyway. The form Neron Kesar is the linguistically "correct" Hebrew form, is the form found in the Talmud and other rabbinical writings, and was used by Hebrews in the first century, as archaeological evidence has shown. As F. W. Farrar observed, "the Jewish Christian would have tried the name as he thought of the name-that is in Hebrew letters. And the moment he did this the secret stood revealed. No Jew ever thought of Nero except as ‘Neron Kesar,’ and this gives at once . . . 666" (The Early Days of Christianity, Chicago and New York: Belford, Clarke& Co., 1882, p. 540). Of some related interest is the fact that if Nero’s name is written without the final "n" (i.e., the way it would occur to a Gentile to spell it in Hebrew), it yields the number 616 — which is exactly the variant reading in a few New Testament manuscripts. The most reasonable explanation for this variant is that it arose from the confusion over the final "n".

It may now be pointed out that in an Aramaic document from Murabba’at, dated to the "second year of the emperor Nero," the name is spelled ‘rsq nwrn’ as required by the theory (i.e., that 666 signifies Nero). The last two consonants of ‘rsq’ are damaged, but enough is preserved to show that no vowel-letter was written between the ‘q’ and ‘s’ (Apocalypse 13:18 and a Scroll from Murabba’at). The evidence can be seen by consulting the French work edited by P, Benoit, J. T. Milik, and R. DeVaux, Discoveries in the Judean Desert of Jordan II (Oxford, 1961), page 18, plate 29.

The Christians of the first century were under the military authority of Rome, a nation which openly proclaimed its rulers, the Caesars, to be divine. All those under the jurisdiction of Rome were required by law to publicly proclaim their allegiance to Caesar by burning a pinch of incense and declaring, "Caesar is Lord". Upon compliance with this law, the people were given a papyrus document called a "libellus", which they were required to present when either stopped by the Roman police or attempting to engage in commerce in the Roman marketplace, increasing the difficulty of "buying or selling" without this mark. This is the

essence of Scripture’s warnings to the early Christians against taking upon themselves the "mark of the beast".

55 posted on 09/18/2020 5:06:09 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Mark 13:9 "You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them.

Oh wait, "Christians beaten in the synagogues"? -- the entire Olivet discourse and John's apocalyptic revelation is talking about the time before 70 AD when the temple was destroyed and the new Jerusalem - the Christian Church came into being with the new temple, the spiritual temple - Jesus Christ

56 posted on 09/18/2020 5:08:54 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Old Yeller
yup, and here are the 88 reasons why there will be a rapture

oh, wait...

57 posted on 09/18/2020 5:11:14 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: metmom
Yes, there have been wars and pestilence in the past, but there are too many things happening now at the same time to make it just more of the same.


In 64 AD to 70 AD there was

  1. Wars - the Roman civil war with Nero deposed and the year of 4 emperors
  2. The Jewish-Roman war which lasted until the destruction of the temple (read Matt 23 and 24)
  3. the Jewish civil war between the Zealots and the Sadducees/Pharisees
  4. Earthquakes - such as at Pompeii in 59 AD
  5. Famine
  6. Pestilence

Heck, even in 1917-1919 there was

  1. the great war killing millions
  2. famine reducing Belgium, france and netherlands as well as much of the UK and Germany to starvation
  3. Pestilence - the Spanish flu killing millions
  4. Death

58 posted on 09/18/2020 5:14:49 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: metmom
Daniel where it says that in the end, men will travel to and fro and knowledge will greatly increase.

Dan 12:4

" But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time appointed: many shall pass over, and knowledge shall be manifold"

instead of just excerpting, why don't you read the entire book of Daniel - or even the same chapter 12. Daniel is being told about a very specific knowledge concerning the mystery of the Messiah's kingdom (the Church) that sheds light on the meaning of his visions.

read verse 7 "this is for a time, times and a half" = 3.5 years = the duration of the Jewish-Roman war

59 posted on 09/18/2020 5:30:34 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: zek157
The Biblical prophecies about Israel becoming a nation again as talked about in Daniel and Isaiah are about the return from Babylon in 500 BC and the rebuilding of the temple - which was completed by Herod the great
60 posted on 09/18/2020 5:33:08 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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