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**Let us be neither dogs that do not bark nor silent onlookers nor paid servants who run away before the wolf. Instead let us be careful shepherds watching over Christ’s flock. Let us preach the whole of God’s plan to the powerful and to the humble, to rich and to poor, to men of every rank and age, as far as God gives us the strength, in season and out of season, as Saint Gregory writes in his book of Pastoral Instruction (From a letter by Saint Boniface, bishop and martyr **
1 posted on 06/08/2020 10:04:49 AM PDT by Salvation
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2 posted on 06/08/2020 10:06:28 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Just wondering if any Catholics are protesting - peacefully of course - outside of Ab Gregory's office or home ? I would doubt it....
What's the line from the song

Round here we talk just like lions, but we sacrifice like lambs...

That's where we should be at- these rogue prelates are past the point of being concerned with what the laity cares... Trinity Sunday comes and goes, and many homilies are about spent on BLM.... not the Power of the Triune God that triumphantly overshadows this cultural dysfunction self-centered anti-Christ rioting....
3 posted on 06/08/2020 10:50:00 AM PDT by MurphsLaw ("Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven...")
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Protesters get waivers, but those who want to attend religious services are told to wait, even if we state that we will follow the state/city guidelines on social distancing, disinfection of surfaces, etc.

Here in Ohio churches were permitted to recommence services two weeks ago.

Yesterday I attended mass for the second Sunday that services were permitted.

Just from last week to this week I have noticed that the finish on the pews has deteriorated.

If this regime of disinfecting the pews after each mass continues much longer, we will have to refinish all of the pews when this is over (if it is ever over).

This germaphobia is insane. If the total cost of this mass hysteria is ever calculated it will be an awe-inspiring number.

With the money wasted on fighting this virus and the lost income because of shutting down the economy we could have financed a round trip to Mars.

4 posted on 06/08/2020 10:53:05 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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So, welcome to the world of extreme secularism.

where emotionalism, subjectivism, and relativism means that anything goes if it feels good

5 posted on 06/08/2020 10:54:00 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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6 posted on 06/08/2020 10:57:33 AM PDT by knarf
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If protesters are permitted to violate state/city regulations that just a week ago were called essential for public health during an emergency unprecedented in our lifetimes, were those guidelines really that critical after all?

The Guidelines are a political tool fashioned by the Democrats to hamper Trumps reelection.

The virus was seized upon as an opportunity to force the Trump economy into retreat.

Treating churches differently from protesters is simply the Obama doctrine in practice. Reward your allies and punish your enemies.

The protestors are friends of the Democrats and church goers are on the large enemies.

8 posted on 06/08/2020 11:11:25 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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The ancient fathers showed us how we should carry out our duty: Clement, Cornelius and many others in the city of Rome, Cyprian at Carthage, Athanasius at Alexandria. They all lived under emperors who were pagans; they all steered Christ’s ship—or rather his most dear spouse, the Church. This they did by teaching and defending her, by their labors and sufferings, even to the shedding of blood.

If only we had Popes and Bishops like those of the early days of the Church.

The leaders of the Church have taken up common cause with the Churches enemies. The have sold their souls to the state for 40 pieces of silver.

Our Bishops quickly fell in line with the states’ order to not provide mass to the faithful. No argument was made no accommodations were sought. No compromise suggested.

Even in Ohio where cancelling services was only a recommendation, our Bishops as a group ordered their priest to not perform any sacraments.

I pray for my Bishop’s soul. I fear that he has betrayed his vows.

9 posted on 06/08/2020 11:29:14 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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Amen to the prayer of Boniface.


11 posted on 06/08/2020 12:08:12 PM PDT by miserare ( Respect for life--life of all kinds-- is the first principle of civilization.~~A. Schweitzer.)
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https://americananglican.org/aac-toolbox/covid19/hope-through-frosted-ground/

Clergy, and in fact Christians everywhere, have been given a not-so-subtle message through this pandemic regarding the place of faith in American national life, at least as expressed through some of our political leaders and government policies. The Church is “non-essential” and has no place of leadership in the nation. Leaders of both parties have made many statements to that effect, teaching Christians that their services are unimportant, that public prayer, the sacraments, and public worship have nothing to do with our restoration or the ending of a crisis in our nation. Rather than being encouraged to provide public statements that give counsel, truth, or ethical evaluations, religious leaders have been encouraged to be silent and shutter their doors. Our national dialogue glorifies the voices of scientists and doctors but not the Christian men and women in the front lines, ministers and priests behind the scenes and fighting against the poverty, depression, and despair that COVID19 has brought upon many.

In some states, such as California, the lock down has been more extreme, with clergy forbidden from visiting the sick as they die of this virus in hospitals because they are deemed non-essential. COVID19 patients are dying alone. No one is praying with them, administering last rites, keeping them hopeful with their eyes on Heaven. This spiritual help with spiritual realities in the midst of suffering and death is deemed unnecessary.

The recent comments by New York Governor Cuomo illustrates this unfortunate mindset and the growing secularization of those who are defining the national narrative. While giving an update on the virus and its steady decline, without any prompting, Governor Cuomo stated emphatically: “God did not do this. Faith did not do this. We did this.” Can he really be so sure? Does he know the spiritual world and have access to the other dimension and all its workings? Can he really believe with such certainty that God had nothing to do with the lives saved, the doctors and nurses who risked their lives, the love shown between strangers? What a false and horrendous dichotomy that is, completely devoid of any real hope outside of a temporary return to life-as-usual.

As the Church, we must reject and stand firm against this grotesque secularism. We must not collaborate with our own trivialization. We must reject the label of “non-essential” placed on us. We must continue to embrace our call to be a light in the darkness, a city on a hill, a garden in winter. This is the time to not give up what many of us have engaged in over the past couple months: serving, praying, thinking innovatively and witnessing to the glory of Christ wherever and however we can, rather than the glory of man. Many churches have shown just how essential they are, but our perseverance must not lessen simply because the pandemic seems to be abating. It’s precisely in moments like this that we are needed most, and as restrictions ease and less people get sick and die, we mustn’t then say with the world, “Ah, we have arrived! Our summer is here.” We have not arrived. We are only passing through temporary respite before the next trial, the next earthly winter. We will keep on passing through, until the Summer to which all other summers point appears, and He who loves us is manifested to the world and brings the final thaw.


12 posted on 06/08/2020 1:12:27 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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Abraham Lincoln said that human behaviors can change but human nature doesn't change.
13 posted on 06/08/2020 1:51:29 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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One of the best I’ve read from Msgr Pope.


15 posted on 06/08/2020 3:03:54 PM PDT by Marchmain (safe, legal and wrong)
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