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1 posted on 03/14/2020 2:36:18 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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I hope we can have a civil discussion on this topic, I assure you I am a sincere believer, simply trying to clarify things I have learned...(Flame on)


2 posted on 03/14/2020 2:37:38 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles (ore and rebuild Jerusale)
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Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.( Ezekiel 20:12)
But I am a Gentile believer. I may choose to keep the seventh day, or perhaps another day, but I am not to allow anyone to judge me on that basis. The principle of Sabbath is what I am to Keep, Resting in the finished Work of Christ by faith. The Substance of Sabbath is Christ himself.

That view of Christianity and the new covenant is not supported by scripture.

For example scripture states clearly that the new covenant is ONLY for the house of Israel and the House of Judah:

Heb 8:8  Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH— 

Paul explains it quite neatly:

Rom 9:4  who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 

EVERYTHING is for Israel. Not gentiles.

He makes it even clearer that one becomes a member of the commonwealth of Israel through Christ:

Eph 2:11  Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 
Eph 2:12  that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 
Eph 2:13  But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 

Therefore your assertion that you have the "right" to ignore God's clear biblical instructions concerning the sabbath is questionable. You HAVE joined Israel. The 7th day sabbath is a sign between God and his people forever. Why do you not want to take that sign?

4 posted on 03/14/2020 2:55:39 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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But I am a Gentile believer. I may choose to keep the seventh day, or perhaps another day

You can keep any day you wish. It's called free will. You also have the right to take the mark of the beast. Nobody will stop you and many will applaud you. Again free will.
The most important question is what does God want and not what we want. He has made it clear He wants us to worship Him on the Sabbath and the idea there is a Jewish Sabbath or a Gentile Sabbath or different rules is nonsense.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
God has said "Six days you should labor but the seventh day to worship Him." But we have free will and we can eat of that tree in the middle of the garden but it's fruit is death as are the wages of sin.

5 posted on 03/14/2020 4:01:17 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Hi! I'm Joe Biden and I forgot this message.)
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Sound doctrine, Pastor Bill.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets; I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil, Matt. 5:17

Christ is all, and in all, Gal 3:11.

All things were created by him, and for him, Col. 1:16b

That in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell, Col. 1:18b, 19.

The centrality of Christ is everywhere in the New Testament. If he is “all, and in all,”
if creation was all about and “for him,”
if the Father predestined from the beginning that Christh ave the preeminence in all things,
and if he fulfilled the law (the sabbath is part of the law),
then...

he is our Passover lamb,
our unleavened bread,
our firstfruit of the resurrection,
our Pentecost,
our shepherd,
our high priest and sacrifice,
our one hope, etc.,
them surely his is our “rest,” or Sabbath.

Our all, and in all.


11 posted on 03/14/2020 5:26:55 PM PDT by sasportas
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For only myself I find the word of God to be sufficient, and any question between the Father and the Son is settled on the side of the Father. I do not believe for a moment that Jesus addressed every single issue pertaining to our lives.... God alone has provided His Word. The down fall of Mankind is found int he teachings of those who seek authority by issuance of their own word, thus they twist what Jesus did say to make the past not what is but to something they want to believe it was; thus to history is written by the conquerors. Let not the sinful word of Mankind twist that which you read first in Holy Bible by what makes you question God in the abbreviated history of the second half of this fine book. The structure and guidelines are clear, concise and need not be questioned. If you think too hard you are erring on the side of mankind. If your heart is pure in your worship to God, then too will you follow the Son to him. Follow the Son to Worship God.


28 posted on 03/15/2020 4:03:25 AM PDT by Jumper
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