Posted on 01/28/2020 6:03:38 PM PST by ebb tide
Your reasoning is hard to follow.....this isn’t about legalities as I read....rather a change in vocabulary that certainly indicates Francis believes God could or would ‘abandon’ us in the face of temptation..which He would never do. He promises to ‘never’ leave us or forsake us......and that he will always provide a way of escape when we are tempted.
Just for thought you might consider that its written he was tempted just as any man...he resisted....had He not stood the test in the wilderness everything that followed would have no meaning..there would be no Salvation. Victory was won in that great Wilderness test...just as man was lost to sin in the Garden test.
My response was: But He was not just any man. He read the minds of those that attempted to trip Him up in legalities. He was God with us... the lesson of that attempted temptation was Christianity basics. He did not present Himself like a pompous pious priest.
Your reasoning is hard to follow.....this isn’t about legalities as I read....rather a change in vocabulary that certainly indicates Francis believes God could or would ‘abandon’ us in the face of temptation..which He would never do. He promises to ‘never’ leave us or forsake us......and that he will always provide a way of escape when we are tempted.
Christ was God with us in the flesh... He declared in Mark 13:23 “But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.”
The attempted temptation never had the potential to happen... thus it could only have taken place as teaching what to expect ... who and what the anti-Christ or literally the instead of Christ would be offering humanity to worship him.
One cannot accuse the Heavenly Father of permitting a 'temptation' when they have already been warned in advance of what would be.
Roman Catholic doctrine is 'sola scripture' is forbidden, and their traditions hold the weight of salvation. I have read repeatedly the scorn of the Scriptures given that strike down the traditions. So what difference does it really make, that this 'man' who the many clearly give power to establish 'traditions' over the Scripture.
The Heavenly Father's promise to 'never' leave us or forsake us' did not say that 'we' in the masses would NOT leave and forsake Him. We to maintain that Heavenly blessing and protection have to at least demonstrate we love Him enough not to trash or twist or ignore His Word ... (sola Scripture)
The point about Christ reading the minds of His accusers, was to demonstrate that He (Christ) was not just any flesh being... The Heavenly Father was with Him every second. There was no wasted teaching. And when Christ said 'take heed', behold I have foretold you all things, was long before any jot or tittle of the so called 'NEW' Testament, was ever placed upon plant material, animal skins or chiseled onto some hard surface.
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francis is really pushing the envelope now.
how much more can the Catholics take?
To be clear:
francis has NOTHING, NOTHING to do with my praying or my prayers. He would be the LAST person or name I would think of in my meditation.
He too, shall pass.
Matt 4:1
“Then Jesus was led by the spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.”
God does not “abandon” us either. He does however put us to the test.
Abandoning done to us is something we have no control over. This is what homosexuals mean when they approve their illicit acts on the grounds that “God made them that way”. They are abandoned to their desires = they have no control over it = therefore God wants it that way.
So why not actually POST THE TEXT of the “fake Our Father”??
I clicked through a bunch of links and NOWHERE is the actual full text given.
My parents taught me the Our Father when I was a toddler.
At no point in my life did I EVER believe that the prayer was saying that God leads us into temptation.
And if a 4-year old can figure it out, why can’t Francis?
The pope replaced "lead us not into temptation" in Matthew 6:13 with "do not let us fall into temptation," under the premise the latter is a better translation of the original text, in the interest of conformity to what they think it should say, but not what the word actually means.
For the Greek word used for “lead” here, eispherō basically means to bring or lead* , not as if God leads us to sin, but that God can test our character by leading us into circumstances or directing or allowing such that present us with challenges and choices. For no less than the very Son of God was so tested:
And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. (Luke 4:1-2)
As was Israel thru hard circumstances:
Who fed thee in the wilderness with manna, which thy fathers knew not, that he might humble thee, and that he might prove thee, to do thee good at thy latter end; (Deuteronomy 8:16)
However, rather than thinking ourselves strong, we should not seek to be in such situations, and thus the prayer, lead us not into temptation, which is what Peter should have been mindful of rather than boasting that he would never deny the Lord, which he ended up doing, not being prayed up and strong enough for the test that followed (though he motive was good).
We can face trials to improve our character as Job did, and was mightily blessed in the latter end, or we can face troubles due to our need for repentance of something we have neglected. (1 C. 11:32; Heb. 12) But as trials will come, we are assured that,
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. (1 Corinthians 10:11-13)
Spurgeon on temptation: "Lead Us Not Into Temptation"
Note also that this change by the pope is only one of many and even more grievous errors seen for decades in the official RC Bible for America, especially in its notes and study helps (the latter is only in the study version).
*Strong;s number G1533: From G1519 and G5342; to carry inward (literally or figuratively): - bring (in), lead into.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Luk 5:18 And, behold, men brought in a bed a man which was taken with a palsy: and they sought means to bring him in, and to lay him before him.
Luk 5:19 And when they could not find by what way they might bring him in because of the multitude, they went upon the housetop, and let him down through the tiling with his couch into the midst before Jesus.
Luk 11:4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
Act 17:20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.
Act 17:20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.
Heb 13:11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
PFFFT!
It's been BOGUS for centuries!!
It is also written... "Test me in this..."
Wow!
That kinda condemns a LOT of religious organizations; doesn’t it!?
People treat the holy writings of God with a far more cavalier attitude then they should. God striking down Uriah, who simply stretched out his hand to steady the ark contrary to God’s word, should serve as a reminder to us that God means exactly what He says.
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