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Eostre: The Making of a Myth {Pascha is not related to Astarte}
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Posted on 01/27/2020 2:44:08 AM PST by Cronos

Last Easter and the Easter before that, and for several more Easters, a story circulated both among neopagans and those they wished to educate. It concerned the origin of the Easter Bunny. The story goes something like this:

Once, when the Goddess was late in coming, a little girl found a bird close to death from the cold and turned to Eostre for help. A rainbow bridge appreared and Eostre came, clothed in her red robe of warm, vibrant sunlight which melted the snows. Spring arrived. Because the little bird was wonded beyond repair, Eostre changed it into a snow hare who then brought rainbow eggs. As a sign of spring, Eostre instructed the little girl to watch for the snow hare to come to the woods.

The story is increasingly popular among neopagans, because it provides a solid confirmation of several important points of dogma. Christian traditions are shown to have sprung from Pagan ones; a seemingly innocuous tradition is shown to have a little-known (thus implying that it was repressed) history; and a male God took a festival over from a female Goddess, replacing a celebration of joyous renewal with one of sacrifice and death.
Urban legends about Christian celebrations like Christmas and Easter abound, though I must admit that I had not heard that one before. The rest of the article is worth reading too, though it still does not explain, to my satisfaction at any rate, the origin on the Easter bunny.

I had a pagan upbringing (not a NEOpagan one — my parents were atheists/agnostics). In my childhood we had chocolate Easter eggs and Easter bunnies, so I knew about the Easter bunny before I knew about the resurrection of Christ. Easter bunnies were rabbit shaped chocolates that you ate. That was in the 1940s, before neopaganism was popular, so I very much doubt that it was based on the newer neopagan legend recounted above.

I first investigated the Eostre legend of the origin of the Christian celebration of Pascha when it was told to me, in all seriousness, by a Christian fundamentalist who had got it from a Victorian book called The two Babylons by Alexander Hislop. I latetr encountered (through BBS networks and the internet) several other Fundamentalist or conservative evangelical Christians who cited The two Babylons as the source of their beliefs about “Easter”. Many years later I managed to get hold of a copy of the book, and found that though it was full of quite fanciful stuff, much of it had been quoted out of context or twisted by the Fundamentalists who wanted to show that the Christian celebration of the resurrection of Christ was of pagan origin. I tried to find out more about Eostre, but, like Cavalorn, I got back to the Venerable Bede and got stuck. Christian fundamentalists and neopagans alike seem to see a connection with Ishtar, but there is no historical evidence for it that I can discover.

The fact is that Christians were celebrating the resurrection of Christ, which they called Pascha, long before they encountered the English, who gave the name “Easter” to the festival because of their name for the month in which it was usually celebrated.

The word "Easter" is used only in English and it's similar term "Estre" in German. In every other language the name for the festival is Pascha/Pasqua/Paschal etc. except Polish which calls it "Wielkanoc" - "great night"

Even in English and German, there is zero mention of any goddess called Eostre besides the one mention by a christian monk "Bede" writing hundreds of years after paganism died out and its memories were lost

there are no archaeological mentions of this goddess in contrast to the hundreds of mentions of other nordic gods

There is no correlation to Ashtar/Ishtar who was not worshipped in Angle-land in any case.


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Heading off the standard stories made up by non-Christians (Jehovah's witnesses, Adventists, pagans etc) before the Paschal season
1 posted on 01/27/2020 2:44:08 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

The Hebrew word for Passover is “Pesach”. The Last Supper was a Passover supper, called a Seder. The reason Easter moves around on the Christian calendar is that the rules for establishing its date are similar to the rules for determining when Passover falls.

Eggs are an important symbol in the Passover Seder.


2 posted on 01/27/2020 4:59:36 AM PST by babble-on
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To: Cronos

Still on your Adventist hate campaign calling them non-Christians, eh? Well bless your heart and your brown scapula, rosary beads and repetitive chants and incantations. Have a good day.


3 posted on 01/27/2020 5:01:38 AM PST by BipolarBob (Just imagine the /s after everything I post and we'll all be happier.)
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Any religion that says Jesus is the angel Michael is not Christian. Christians see Jesus as God.


4 posted on 01/27/2020 5:28:48 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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Angel literally means “messenger” and Jesus was that. And Jesus has many names. I’m not convinced one way or the other on the matter because it is so minor in the grand scheme of things relating to salvation. But you obsess over it for some odd reason. Go pray to your commie Pope or the deceased Mary for guidance on this matter to set your mind at ease.


5 posted on 01/27/2020 5:33:12 AM PST by BipolarBob (Just imagine the /s after everything I post and we'll all be happier.)
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Now that is hypocritical - the person who says Why does it matter to you what other people believe?

Are you really that insecure?

So you say you don't care, but then say Jesus may or may not be an angel and not god.

Congratulations on the hypo c

6 posted on 01/27/2020 5:37:35 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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but then say Jesus may or may not be an angel and not god.

Jesus is God. Any thought to the contrary comes from YOU. Jesus humbled Himself to take the form of man so it is no stretch that He can perform some angelic duties such as being a messenger of news.

7 posted on 01/27/2020 5:51:31 AM PST by BipolarBob (Just imagine the /s after everything I post and we'll all be happier.)
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To: Cronos

Oh yes your thread. Eggs and rabbits were fertility symbols of pagans so there is that. Jesus and the Disciples didn’t hide Easter eggs and go find them or eat chocolate bunnies. They celebrated Passover and that’s what Christians should do - celebrate Passover and not Easter.


8 posted on 01/27/2020 5:54:25 AM PST by BipolarBob (Just imagine the /s after everything I post and we'll all be happier.)
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Why don’t you go to a Catholic church during the Easter Triduum this spring and count for us the number of times you hear mention of (a) rabbits; (b) eggs; (c) Jesus Christ ? The results may surprise you.


9 posted on 01/27/2020 12:23:51 PM PST by Campion ((marine dad))
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Perhaps if you did some reading you would see that the eggs and rabbits are English traditions dating back a few centuries.

Take off your Anglo-centric blinders and don’t keep believing the Bible was written in King James English


10 posted on 01/28/2020 12:13:07 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Cronos

According to Wikipedia, the easter bunny began with German Lutherans. First time I heard that one.


11 posted on 01/28/2020 6:00:34 PM PST by rwa265
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well, one keeps encountering claims that Easter is actually a pre-Christian pagan holiday and that popular modern Easter traditions such as the Easter bunny and painting Easter eggs are actually thinly-veiled pagan customs.

that's all bull. As I pointed out, the holiday of Easter IN ENGLISH takes its name in English from a non-existent (meaning fake, not real, didn't exist in pagan religion) Anglo-Saxon dawn goddess, the holiday itself is of Christian origin and there is no evidence to support the notion that popular traditions such as the Easter bunny and the painting of Easter eggs were ever pagan.

early Christians considered Easter the most important holiday of the year.

They did not call it Easter, though; instead, they called it Πάσχα (Páscha), which was originally the Ancient Greek word for “Passover.” In fact, the modern word for Easter in almost every single European language is some variation of “Pascha.” The only major exceptions to this rule are English and German.

There is no concrete evidence whatsoever linking the German Osterhase to the English goddess Ēostre. No source ever mentions Ēostre in connection with rabbits or even with fertility of any kind in general. Furthermore, the gap between Bede’s sole mention of Ēostre and the first reference to the Osterhase spans nearly 1000 years, during which time there is not one mention of any goddess named Ēostre or any kind of festival associated with her independent of Bede’s account.

The most probable explanation for the origins of the Easter bunny is simply that bunny rabbits often come out in the spring, around the same time of the year as Easter. Some people may hope for a more “rational” explanation than this one, but, in doing so, they would be neglecting that fact that folklore is frequently irrational and quite often downright bizarre.

Like the Coca Cola Santa Claus -- jiminy cricket, Sanity Clause has nothing in common with the real St. Nicholas.

St. Nicholas was a solemn fellow who lived in warm Turkey, was known for punching out Arius during a church council etc.

And Coca Cola Sanity clause? some other person -- but then I'd guess folk could claim that Santa clause was a "catholic invention"... wowzer

12 posted on 01/29/2020 2:05:32 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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As I said Jesus and the Disciples didn’t hide Easter eggs and eat chocolate bunnies. However you can enjoy that post-Christian pagan practice of worshiping on the day of the Sun (Sunday). Does your Catholic Bible (no matter what language) have the verse 1 John 2:3 “By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His Commandments.”?


13 posted on 01/29/2020 7:04:00 AM PST by BipolarBob (Just imagine the /s after everything I post and we'll all be happier.)
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Jesus didn’t hide eggs - neither did the earliest Christians. in fact this is a 19th century phenomenon.

And the gathering and worshiping on Sunday started during Apostolic times as, ta da - Jesus rose on Sunday


14 posted on 01/29/2020 7:30:14 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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oh and by the bye - it's in English that it's called Sunday - in Latin it's Dominicus - "the Lord's Day" and in Polish it's niedziela = the day of sharing and in Russian it is Воскресенье = resurrection day. You do realize that modern English is quite a few language, right? And perhaps you don't realize it, but the bible wasn't written in KJV Anglish
15 posted on 01/29/2020 7:33:38 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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And the gathering and worshiping on Sunday started during Apostolic times as, ta da - Jesus rose on Sunday

They may have met on Sunday but didn't worship or celebrate Sunday as a day of holiness. And being as to how we both agree Jesus rose on Sunday, that means he ta da rested on the Sabbath.

16 posted on 01/29/2020 7:34:31 AM PST by BipolarBob (Just imagine the /s after everything I post and we'll all be happier.)
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To: Cronos

Arabic: Sabet
Armenian: Shabat
Bosnian: Subota
Bulgarian: Sabota
Corsican: Sàbatu
Croatian: Subota
Czech: Sobota
Georgian: Sabati
Greek: Savvato
Hebrew: Shabbat
Indonesian: Sabtu
Italian: Sabato
Latin: Sabbatum
Maltese: is-Sibt
Polish: Sobota
Portuguese: Sábado
Romanian: Sambata
Russian: Subbota
Serbian: Subota
Slovak: Sobota
Slovene: Sobota
Somali: Sabti
Spanish: Sabado
Sudanese: Saptu
Ukranian: Subota
The seventh day is the true Sabbath which the (real) Lord blessed and Sunday is the Sun Gods Day to worship. Mind which Lord you worship.


17 posted on 01/29/2020 7:43:17 AM PST by BipolarBob (Just imagine the /s after everything I post and we'll all be happier.)
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And your quotation is an indication of why you constantly err — to read out of context leads to your errors leading you away from Christ.

Read verses 1 and 2
My little children, these things I write to you, that you may not sin. But if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the just: [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

The commandment is from Jesus - the new commandment for us christians.

I really, really think you ought to read the Bible and history better. Come to orthodoxy and experience Christ in completeness rather than verses out of context


18 posted on 01/29/2020 7:56:28 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: BipolarBob

Of course, the 7th day is Sabbath — Sabbath was never changed to Sunday.

Sabbath is the day of worship for the Jews.

Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath; He brought the New covenant.

That’s why the apostles gathered and worshipped the risen Christ on the day that Christ rose - on Niedziela, dominicus


19 posted on 01/29/2020 7:58:50 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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Congratulations - now you have learnt from me that there are other languages in the world!!

So you see that only in English do you use the word “Easter” and English call it “sunday” while that’s not true for other languages.

btw, you do realize that other language have concepts like declensions and gender in nouns, right?


20 posted on 01/29/2020 8:01:20 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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