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What I Saw While Serving on a Grand Jury (part two)
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 10-21-19 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 10/22/2019 9:40:10 AM PDT by Salvation

Posted on October 21, 2019October 21, 2019 by Msgr. Charles Pope

What I Saw While Serving on a Grand Jury (part two)

In yesterday’s post, I wrote about my experience serving on a grand jury, describing in particular the darkness we jurors had to face each day as we listened to testimony about and video of some horrible crimes. In today’s piece, I’d like to point out some light I saw in the midst of that darkness, some positive elements of my experience.

For much of my life I have looked somewhat askance at lawyers, despite the fact that my father was a lawyer, and a good one at that. (I also enjoy lawyer jokes – all in good fun, of course.) I had this vague impression that lawyers just make everything difficult. The lawyers with whom I come into contact in the Church warn us about so many things that I sometimes cynically remark that if we took every one of their precautions, we’d never open our doors. However, their cautions are usually well-founded given our litigious society. Then, too, there are the ambulance chasers whose advertisements seem to be everywhere. There are also lawyers who file frivolous lawsuits knowing that it’s easier for companies to settle out of court than to fight back. Such things give the profession a bad reputation even though most attorneys do not engage in such practices. Those were some of the biases I harbored when I was summoned.

There I was at the beginning of grand jury duty, unsure of what to expect, when in walked the first of many Assistant U.S. Attorneys I would meet over the next several weeks. I must say that I was impressed by every one of them; they were consummate professionals who had obviously done a lot of meticulous work assembling the cases. In the initial stages of an investigation, these attorneys work closely with the police to examine evidence. They interview many witnesses in their office before ever setting foot in the grand jury room. Witnesses are not always cooperative and some even fail to appear. Their testimony is not always clear and must be disambiguated. Further, witnesses sometimes contradict one another as they recall a traumatic event. Even the victims themselves can be uncooperative due to the fear of repercussions from testifying or supplying information. I can only imagine how difficult and painstaking the attorneys’ work is. Surely it requires great dedication, patience, and perseverance. I was also impressed with their command of the facts in each case, especially considering that they work on numerous cases simultaneously.

In the grand jury room, I was taken by the great respect the attorneys showed for the law while at the same time treating the victims and their families compassionately. Their presentations were well-organized and focused on the evidence. They carefully led the witnesses through what was often gut-wrenching testimony with gentleness, empathy, and understanding. At no time did I see any of them being overzealous. These attorneys have earned my respect and I am grateful to them for all that they do.

Another thing I appreciated during my service was becoming deeply immersed in one of the last bastions of reason and order in our society. In recent years, our culture has experienced an almost complete loss of reason and clear meaning. We are currently in a desert of existentialism, in which individuals define their own meaning because they believe there is no intrinsic purpose or meaning to human existence. This has led to the current bizarre idea that a man can declare himself to be a woman or a woman can declare herself to be a man – and that the rest of society must accept such declarations as fact. It’s hard to have a good argument, let alone a conversation, when basic terms and realities are no longer a given.

The legal world, however, is still steeped in reason and careful, precise definitions. For example, what it means to “possess” a weapon and what is meant by “intent to kill” are precisely defined. The conditions under which charges can be enhanced due to prior convictions must meet strict, definitive criteria. The specifics of a firearm, down to the length of the barrel and the capacity of the ammunition clip, play an important role in applying the law. Jurors and judges in trials are expected to evaluate the evidence and testimony with respect to the law and then draw a well-reasoned conclusion.

In legal proceedings there is the careful assessment of what is meant by a particular crime and what the law provides in terms of adjudication and outcomes. I am not making a case for legal positivism (i.e., whatever the law says is good or right) but merely remarking that we grand jurors were provided with clear definitions and instructions on how to evaluate the evidence and testimony before us.

Hearing the word “reason” used again and witnessing the precision of language and meaning was refreshing. It was almost like stepping back in time a few decades, to a time when words still had clear meanings and basic moral norms were accepted. Even if we didn’t live perfectly moral lives, we knew when the moral law was broken and did not commonly call good or no big deal what God calls sinful.

St. Thomas Aquinas wrote that law is an ordinance of reason for the common good (Summa Theologica I IIae 90.1). As an ordinance of reason, the law binds people to the reasonable limits it sets forth. The very word “law” comes from the Latin word ligere, which means “to bind.” Law, properly understood, concerns reason, order, and limits we must all accept to enjoy the greatest freedom. The only true freedom is limited freedom. Consider the dangerous chaos that would ensue if we did not limit our freedom to drive by following agreed upon traffic laws.

While we on the jury were looking into a world of chaos and disorder, our attention was always drawn back to the world of reason and order. Lawyers are agents of stability in this milieu, where the rule of law is still important, and words and reality still matter.

I was not born yesterday; I realize that the courts have also been infected with existentialism and the political correctness that is its offspring. This is especially evident at the higher levels of the judicial system, where unelected activist judges “legislate from the bench” and find new rights in the “penumbras” and “emanations” of the Constitution. Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy once ignominiously wrote, “At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life” (Planned Parenthood v. Casey). There you have it – pure existentialism. The right of people to define their own meaning and their own concept of existence is not a path to liberty but to chaos and anarchy. This is increasingly the case in our society today.

At the lower levels of the judicial system, reason, law, and objectivity are still the meat and potatoes of the daily work. At its best, our legal system is one of the last sectors of our society in which reason and the application of clear definitions are still evident. My grand jury experience made me deeply aware of this. It was uplifting and encouraging and was not a light I expected to see within the darkness.

I have new respect for the criminal justice system. In this antinomian and politicized age, it is a popular whipping boy. Though no system is perfect, I came away impressed with its thoroughness and fairness. Prosecutors don’t just prosecute criminals; they also work to secure justice for victims and their families and to protect the common good. Defense attorneys play a critical role as well. The attorneys do all this within the careful confines of the law, which seeks to protect the rights of both the accused and the victims.


Thank You, Lord, for the good and hard work of those in our criminal justice system, many of whom labor behind the scenes. Often, they must deal with the worst of crimes and endure frustrating setbacks, yet they persevere in their work. Thank you too, Lord, for the rule of law that You have given us over the centuries. May we protect it from the erosion by existentialism and relativism. May our law be just and in perfect accord with Your eternal law. May the rights and dignity of every person, accused and victim, be upheld and honored. True justice can only be Your work. May all of us, especially those who are lawyers, judges, and jurors be instruments in Your hand.

This song speaks of the sadness of existentialism and relativism. While it idealizes the past, it does point out that we have lost something important.

TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; grandjury; justice
1 posted on 10/22/2019 9:40:10 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Monsignor Pope Ping!

2 posted on 10/22/2019 9:41:10 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

...This song speaks of the sadness
of existentialism and relativism.
While it idealizes the past,
it does point out that we have lost something important.

...As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

...And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!


3 posted on 10/22/2019 9:51:07 AM PDT by HangnJudge (Kipling was right about Humanity)
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To: Salvation

If you say so, pal. Meanwhile, in Dallas, a lower court, where you say reason still abounds, now requires a father to stand by helplessly while the ex-wife butchers their 7 year-old son in the name of “transgenderism.” And she is a pediatrician at that.

4 posted on 10/22/2019 10:25:22 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: Salvation

My respect for lawyers and judges went way up when my daughter was in the middle school ‘Mock Trial’ program. The middle schoolers put on a make-believe trial as prosecutors and defense lawyers. The real judges and lawyers donated their time to oversee the program.

5 posted on 10/22/2019 10:27:30 AM PDT by olepap
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To: HangnJudge

“It is what it is.”— Pope JP XXIII

6 posted on 10/22/2019 10:57:52 AM PDT by miserare ( Indict Hillary!)
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To: Salvation
A year ago, a Priest friend of ours had to serve on a double murder jury.

One person was killed execution style with a knife, and the other bludgeoned to death with a hammer. The second was a young Catholic man who answered the door and got the stranger a glass of water as he requested.

As a Priest, he thought he would be excused too but unfortunately was not. The testimony he had to endure still has an effect on him today.

7 posted on 10/22/2019 11:09:52 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: olepap

I have served three tours of jury duty on our Circuit Court which see’s the worst of the worst. In those tours I have served on probably a good dozen juries, everything from civil trials, to first degree assault, drugs, to fist degree murder.

I sat through two judges, one of which was a convicted drunk driver in a neighboring state. Despite this he ran a pretty tight ship in the court room. He took care of his jurors, didn’t let the lawyers run the show and if he screwed up he admitted it(me and another juror noted a discrepancy on his instructions, sent a note to him and he declared a mistrial on his mistake).

The other judge I like but he lets the lawyers run the show and ignores his jurors. During one murder trial we took two weeks to seat the jury with us showing up at 9:00am and getting home at 7:00pm. The lawyers would approach the bench, we would be sent out for a fifteen minute break which were usually two hrs, return, ask a question, a lawyer would ask to approach and out we would go again for fifteen minutes, actually another two hours. The entire jury pool was livid at the judge, the prosecutors and especially the defense attorneys, seething hate and contempt would be an apt description at the way they felt towards the court because of the way we were treated by all parties involved.

We had one trial that started late because of the lawyers, he wouldn’t stop for lunch and by 1:30 one of the jurors a diabetic summoned the bailiff and said I have to eat something soon I’m a diabetic. He handed her candy and we still sat another thirty minutes.

Of all those cases there were two attorneys worth anything. One was the Commonwealth’s attorney and another was from out of town. The rest were uninterested, took cases they knew they would lose but their clients paid. One put his client on trial for murder on the stand, it was a massacre and he lied himself along with the evidence into a thirty yr sentence.

Good judges and lawyers are few and far between...

8 posted on 10/22/2019 11:15:20 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: olepap
Back in High School I was picked to go to the American Legion's "Boys State." We ran a mock state government. I ran for election and lost, so I had to find something to do. I decided I'd be a lawyer. I argued one case (my client won), but I really had no interest in the law as a career. Still, it was interesting,and gave me an appreciation of what an attorney does for a client. I worked with JAGs while in the Air Force, and served on a Court Martial, but have had little to do with lawyers since then, except for things like wills and real estate. I was glad to have legal help with the estate when my first wife died. If you and your spouse don't have wills,don't delay any longer in getting a will written.
9 posted on 10/22/2019 1:26:57 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Colonel (Retired) USAF.)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Good advice on getting wills written down.

10 posted on 10/22/2019 2:42:48 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Wonder if the Monsignor experienced any FBI supplied bullsh*t evidence? If so, I expect he swallowed it and said “you are forgiven, go and sin no more”.

11 posted on 10/22/2019 4:48:30 PM PDT by damper99
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