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How the Reformers Were More Catholic Than the Catholics
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| 9/27/2019
| BY GENE VEITH
Posted on 10/15/2019 5:54:06 AM PDT by Gamecock
Onsi Kamel grew up as an evangelical but became highly attracted to Roman Catholicism. In time, though, he discovered that what had attracted him so much about Catholicism could not necessarily be found in the Roman Catholic Church. And that it could be found in the theology of the Protestant Reformation.
He tells his story in an article Catholicism Made Me Protestant, published, somewhat surprisingly, in First Things. He tells about his love for the Church Fathers and then his discovery that the Church of Rome does not necessarily hold to what they said. He greatly appreciated the writings of Cardinal Newman, the Anglican pioneer of Anglo-Catholicism who then took the step of going over to Rome, which made a saint of him. But Kamel became concerned with Newman’s notion of the “development of doctrine,” which teaches that doctrine really can change. But that didn’t fit with the universal revelation that he was looking for in Catholicism. Nor did today’s conflict between liberal and conservative Catholics correspond with his ideal of a single, unified Magisterium. From the article (my bolds):
While I was discovering that Roman Catholicism could not be straightforwardly identified with the catholicism of the first six centuries (nor, in certain respects, with that of the seventh century through the twelfth), and as I was wrestling with Newman, I finally began reading the Reformers. What I found shocked me. Catholicism had, by this time, reoriented my theological concerns around the concerns of the Church catholic. My assumptions, and the issues that animated me, were those of the Church of history. My evangelical upbringing had led me to believe that Protestantism entailed the rejection of these concerns. But this notion exploded upon contact with the Protestantism of history.
Martin Luther, John Calvin, Richard Hooker, Herman Bavinck, Karl Barththey wrestled with the concerns of the Church catholic and provided answers to the questions Catholicism had taught me to pose. Richard Hooker interpreted the Churchs traditions; Calvin followed Luthers Augustinianism, proclaimed the visible Church the mother of the faithful, and claimed for the Reformation the Churchs exegetical tradition; Barth convinced me that Gods Word could speak, certainly and surely, from beyond all created realities, to me.
Catholicism had taught me to think like a Protestant, because, as it turned out, the Reformers had thought like catholics. Like their pope-aligned opponents, they had asked questions about justification, the authority of tradition, the mode of Christs self-gift in the Eucharist, the nature of apostolic succession, and the Churchs wielding of the keys. Like their opponents, Protestants had appealed to Scripture and tradition. In time, I came to find their answers not only plausible, but more faithful to Scripture than the Catholic answers, and at least as well-represented in the traditions of the Church.
The Protestants did more than out-catholic the Catholics. They also spoke to the deepest needs of sinful souls. I will never forget the moment when, like Luther five hundred years earlier, I discovered justification by faith alone through union with Christ. I was sitting in my dorm room by myself. I had been assigned Luthers Explanations of the Ninety-Five Theses, and I expected to find it facile. A year or two prior, I had decided that Trent was right about justification: It was entirely a gift of grace consisting of the gradual perfecting of the soul by faith and worksGod instigating and me cooperating. For years, I had attempted to live out this model of justification. I had gone to Mass regularly, prayed the rosary with friends, fasted frequently, read the Scriptures daily, prayed earnestly, and sought advice from spiritual directors. I had begun this arduous cooperation with Gods grace full of hope; by the time I sat in that dorm room alone, I was distraught and demoralized. I had learned just how wretched a sinner I was: No good work was unsullied by pride, no repentance unaccompanied by expectations of future sin, no love free from selfishness.
In this state, I picked up my copy of that arch-heretic Luther and read his explanation of Thesis 37: Any true Christian, whether living or dead, participates in all the blessings of Christ and the church; and this is granted him by God, even without indulgence letters. With these words, Luther transformed my understanding of justification: Every Christian possesses Christ, and to possess Christ is to possess all of Christs righteousness, life, and merits. Christ had joined me to himself.
I had put on Christ in baptism and, by faith through the work of the Spirit, all things were mine, and I was Christs, and Christ was Gods (Gal. 3:27; 1 Cor. 3:2123). His was not an uncertain mercy; his was not a grace of parts, which one hoped would become a whole; his was not a salvation to be attained, as though it were not already also a present possession. At that moment, the joy of my salvation poured into my soul. I wept and showed forth Gods praise. I had finally discovered the true ground and power of Protestantism: My beloved is mine, and I am his (Song 2:16).
Rome had brought me to Reformation.
Kamel takes the various Reformers together–I believe he ended up as a confessional Calvinist–but what he says applies particularly well to Lutheranism, which preserves many elements associated with Catholicism but which are actually quite evangelical: the liturgy, the church year, the sign of the cross, crucifixes and other ecclesiastical art.
Perhaps the biggest appeal of Catholicism is its sacramentalism, but it seems to me that Lutheranism is more sacramental than the Church of Rome. Catholicism teaches that Baptism delivers us from Original Sin, after which we must find forgiveness of our post-Baptismal sins through the church’s penitential system. But Lutheranism teaches that Baptism covers all our days.
Catholic priests hear confessions, but their absolutions are highly conditional–contingent upon whether the sinner felt the right amount of contrition and performed sufficient acts of penance with the proper intention–and even confessed and absolved sins are still subject to the “temporal punishment” of Purgatory. But Lutheran pastors absolve sinners by returning them to their Baptisms, so that, in the words of the Catechism, “we receive absolution, that is, forgiveness, from the pastor as from God Himself, not doubting, but firmly believing that by it our sins are forgiven before God in heaven.”
Catholics believe that Christ is present in Holy Communion, but their doctrine of transubstantiation teaches that after consecration the physical elements of bread and wine are only illusions, mere external appearances that mask a complete change of substance. It turns out that the physical realm does not convey God after all, contrary to a common theme in Luther. Transubstantiation is thus docetic and even gnostic, in contrast to the Lutheran teaching of the Sacramental Union (not consubstantiation; not impanation), which accounts for the Biblical teaching that the bread and wine are Christ true body and blood in a much better way.
But for Lutherans, the point of Holy Communion is not just the mode of Christ’s presence–the preoccupation of both Catholics and the Reformed–but the effects of receiving His body and His blood. Catholics are to receive the Sacrament only after they have put themselves in a state of holiness–after confession and penance, in a state of moral purity, while fasting, after being reconciled with one’s neighbor, and other pious preparations–but for Lutherans, receiving Holy Communion is a way of receiving that holiness, as, in the words of the Catechism, “in the Sacrament forgiveness of sins, life, and salvation are given us.”
The Sacraments for Lutherans are not human “works”–neither the meritorious good works that enable us to “merit” salvation, as in Catholicism, nor human actions that other Protestants accuse Lutherans of putting their faith in rather than Christ–rather, they are works of Christ Himself upon us. They are tangible and personal manifestations of the Gospel–Christ’s life, death, and resurrection “for you”–to be received by faith.
I can relate to what Kamel says, as someone who also looked into Catholicism in my efforts to break out of not evangelicalism but the mainline liberal Protestantism I grew up with. I found Lutheranism, which, to me, embodied the best parts of both the Catholic and the Protestant traditions.
Here is another article along these same lines by British scholar Matthew Knell who also found that the Reformation is not what he had assumed it to be. “Much of the unexpected content,” he writes, “reinforces an impression that these men are seeking to be reformers of the church, not opponents of the church.” He has written a book on the topic this entitled Rediscovering the Reformation.
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posted on
10/15/2019 5:54:06 AM PDT
by
Gamecock
To: HarleyD; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; Dutchboy88; ...
Some material for reflection as we approach Reformation Day.
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posted on
10/15/2019 5:56:17 AM PDT
by
Gamecock
(Time is short Eternity is long It is reasonable that this short life be lived in light of eternity)
To: Gamecock
Perhaps Reformation Day should be re-named Transformation Day.
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posted on
10/15/2019 6:01:26 AM PDT
by
Texas Eagle
(If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
To: Gamecock
Hmmm ... “I don’t think so Tim.”
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posted on
10/15/2019 6:03:31 AM PDT
by
_Jim
(Save babies)
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posted on
10/15/2019 6:06:03 AM PDT
by
raygunfan
To: Gamecock
Perhaps he should reflect how the Protestants, or heretics, ultimately degenerated to the point where their “churches” have openly embraced decadence and hedonism. Their “theologians” have conveniently modified their “doctrines” to embrace their wanton lusts. Heresy leads to dissolution.
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posted on
10/15/2019 6:06:20 AM PDT
by
allendale
(.)
To: Gamecock
If youd been paying attention, the radicals moved in in the 60s, in the 70s many orthodox religious quit, the seminaries became homo friendly, and today we have two Popes; one a doddering old fool, and the other a heretic.
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posted on
10/15/2019 6:11:44 AM PDT
by
Daffy
To: allendale
Just like Francis and the Catholics are doing now.
To: allendale
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posted on
10/15/2019 6:13:35 AM PDT
by
HangnJudge
(Kipling was right about Humanity)
To: allendale
yes, so true. and so grateful that Catholicism has the Francis to look to as the protector of the true faith....
To: circlecity
The Catholic Church has suffered agnostic popes like Francis in the past. Yet it has always survived and grown. Should tell you something.
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posted on
10/15/2019 6:18:08 AM PDT
by
allendale
(.)
To: Gamecock
For instance:
In the year prior to his posting of the 95 Theses Luther provided this impassioned defense of the primacy of Peter:
If Christ had not entrusted all power to one man, the Church would not have been perfect because there would have been no order and each one would have been able to say that he was led by the Holy Spirit.
This is what the heretics did, each one setting up his own principle. In this way as many churches arose as there were heads. Christ therefore wills, in order that all may be assembled in one unity, that His power be exercised by one man, to whom also he commits it.
He has however made this power so strong that He looses all the powers of Hell against it without injury. He says: The gates of Hell shall not prevail against it, as though he added:
They will fight against it, but they will never overcome it; so that in this way it may be made manifest that His power is in reality from God and not from man. Wherefore, whoever breaks away from this unity and order of the power, let him not boast of great enlightenment and wonderful works, as our Picards [Husites] and other heretics do.
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posted on
10/15/2019 6:21:46 AM PDT
by
G Larry
(There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
To: allendale
You mean like gay priests molesting children? Oh. Wait.
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posted on
10/15/2019 6:30:31 AM PDT
by
Gamecock
(Time is short Eternity is long It is reasonable that this short life be lived in light of eternity)
To: allendale
The Catholic Church has suffered agnostic popes like Francis in the past. Yet it has always survived and grown. Should tell you something.
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I just want to preface my comments by saying that I’m not attacking you exclusively, but anyone who claims that Christianity is growing as a percentage of the increasing world population. While it’s numbers are increasing in net terms, the growth of non-religious or “other religious” groups is happening faster than the growth of Christianity according to Pew and Gallup stats that I’ve looked at.
Secondly, it’s growing primarily in Africa. Everywhere else it’s either treading water or dropping (especially in “Westernized”’ countries).
Thirdly, past Popes have been very careful about actually tinkering with doctrine. Francis is no where near as timid. Let’s not be naive...bad leadership can most certainly destroy any church. As current events are showing, the Catholic Church is not immune to such a reality.
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posted on
10/15/2019 6:32:39 AM PDT
by
Bishop_Malachi
(Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
To: Gamecock
No question there has always been corruption within the imperfect human clergy. Such molesters and vile predators should be purged with extreme prejudice regardless of rank. However the true legacy of Christ and his assurance that he will remain with the true Church to the end of time cannot be negated by anyone. Heretics must be dismissed and understood for what they truly have become.
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posted on
10/15/2019 6:36:36 AM PDT
by
allendale
(.)
To: Gamecock
This will get
It Twisted in
A Bunch!
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posted on
10/15/2019 6:41:47 AM PDT
by
Big Red Badger
(Despised by the Despicable!)
To: allendale
The protestant church has also suffered heretical offshoots both past and present and has also survived and grown. That should tell you something too.
To: circlecity
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posted on
10/15/2019 6:49:10 AM PDT
by
Gamecock
(Time is short Eternity is long It is reasonable that this short life be lived in light of eternity)
To: allendale
Perhaps he should reflect how the Protestants, or heretics, ultimately degenerated to the point where their churches have openly embraced decadence and hedonism. Their theologians have conveniently modified their doctrines to embrace their wanton lusts. Heresy leads to dissolution. Perhaps you should check out all the pope bashing threads being posted by Roman Catholics...one in particular who denies the current pope as legit.
Perhaps you should compare Vatican 1 and Vatican 2 for some very significant changes to Rome's ever changing theology.
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posted on
10/15/2019 6:50:00 AM PDT
by
ealgeone
To: Gamecock
Amazon Synod anyone? I know....comical isn't it?
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posted on
10/15/2019 6:53:29 AM PDT
by
ealgeone
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