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Catholicism made me Protestant
First Things ^ | 9/11/2019 | Onsi A. Kamel

Posted on 09/11/2019 10:52:15 AM PDT by Gamecock

Like all accounts of God’s faithfulness, mine begins with a genealogy. In the late seventeenth century, my mother’s Congregationalist ancestors journeyed to the New World to escape what they saw as England’s deadly compromise with Romanism. Centuries later, ­American Presbyterians converted my father’s great-­grandmother from Coptic ­Orthodoxy to ­Protestantism. Her son became a Presbyterian minister in the Evangelical Coptic Church. By the time my parents were ­living in ­twenty-first-century Illinois, their families’ historic Reformed commitments had been replaced by non-denominational, ­Baptistic ­evangelicalism.

This form of Christianity dominated my Midwestern hometown. My parents taught me to love God, revere the Scriptures, and seek truth through reason. In middle school, my father introduced me to theology, and as a present for my sixteenth birthday he arranged a meeting between me and a Catholic philosopher, Dr. B—. From high school into college, Dr. B— introduced me to Catholic thought and graciously helped me work through my doubts about Christianity. How could a just and loving God not reveal himself equally to everyone? What are we to make of the Bible’s creation stories and flood narrative? Did Calvinism make God the author of evil? My acquaintance with Dr. B— set my intellectual trajectory for several years.

The causes of any conversion (or near conversion) are many and confused. Should I foreground psychological and social factors or my theological reasoning? Certain elements of my attraction to Catholicism were adolescent, like a sixties radical’s attraction to Marx or a contemporary activist’s to intersectionality: I aimed to preserve the core beliefs of my upbringing while fleeing their bourgeois expressions. When I arrived at the University of Chicago, I knew just enough about Calvinism to hold it in ­contempt—which is to say, I knew very little. Reacting against the middle-aged leaders of the inaptly named “Young, Restless, and Reformed Movement,” I sought refuge in that other great ­Western ­theological tradition: ­Roman ­Catholicism.

During my first year of college, I became involved in campus Catholic life. Through the influence of the Catholic student group and the Lumen Christi Institute, which hosts lectures by Catholic intellectuals, my theologically inclined college friends began converting to Catholicism, one after another. These friends were devout, intelligent, and schooled in Christian history. I met faithful and holy Catholic priests—one of whom has valiantly defended the faith for years, drawing punitive opposition from his own religious superiors, as well as the ire of Chicago’s archbishop. This priest was and is to me the very model of a holy, righteous, and courageous man.

I loved Catholicism because Catholics taught me to love the Church. At Lumen Christi events, I heard about saints and mystics, stylites and monastics, desert fathers and late-antique theologians. I was captivated by the holy martyrs, relics, Mary, and the Mass. I found in the Church a spiritual mother and the mother of all the faithful. Through Catholicism, I came into an inheritance: a past of saints and redeemed sinners from all corners of the earth, theologians who illuminated the deep things of God, music and art that summon men to worship God “in the beauty of holiness,” and a tradition to ground me in a world of flux.

Catholicism, which I took to be the Christianity of history, was a world waiting to be discovered. I set about exploring, and I tried to bring others along. I debated tradition with my mother, sola Scriptura with my then fiancée (now wife), and the meaning of the Eucharist with my father. On one occasion, a Reformed professor dispensed with my arguments for transubstantiation in a matter of minutes.

Not long after this, I began to notice discrepancies between Catholic apologists’ map of the tradition and the terrain I encountered in the tradition itself. St. Ambrose’s doctrine of justification sounded a great deal more like Luther’s sola fide than like Trent. St. John Chrysostom’s teaching on repentance and absolution—“Mourn and you annul the sin”—would have been more at home in Geneva than Paris. St. Thomas’s doctrine of predestination, much to my horror, was nearly identical to the Synod of Dordt’s. The Anglican divine Richard Hooker quoted Irenaeus, ­Chrysostom, ­Augustine, and Pope Leo I as he rejected doctrines and practices because they were not grounded in Scripture. He cited Pope Gregory the Great on the “­ungodly” title of universal bishop. The Council of ­Nicaea assumed that Alexandria was on a par with Rome, and Chalcedon declared that the Roman patriarchate was privileged only “because [Rome] was the royal city.” In short, I began to wonder whether the Reformers had a legitimate claim to the Fathers. The Church of Rome could not be straightforwardly identified as catholic.

John Henry Newman became my crucial interlocutor: More than in Ratzinger, Wojtyła, or Congar, in Newman I found a kindred spirit. Here was a man obsessed with the same questions that ate at me, questions of tradition and authority. With Newman, I agonized over conversion. I devoured his Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine and his Apologia pro Vita Sua. Two of his ideas were pivotal for me: his theory of doctrinal development and his articulation of the problem of private judgment. On these two ideas hung all the claims of Rome.

In retrospect, I see that Newman’s need to construct a theory of doctrinal development tells against Rome’s claims of continuity with the ancient Church. And at the time, though I wished to accept Newman’s proposal that “the early condition, and the evidence, of each doctrine . . . ought consistently to be interpreted by means of that development which was ultimately attained,” I could not. One could only justify such assumptions if one were already committed to Roman Catholic doctrine and Rome’s meaningful continuity with what came before. Without either of these commitments, I simply could not find a plausible reason to speak of “development” rather than “disjuncture,” especially because what came before so often contradicted what followed.

The issue of ecclesiastical authority was trickier for me. I recognized the absurdity of a twenty-year-old presuming to adjudicate claims about the Scriptures and two thousand years of history. Newman’s arguments against private judgment therefore had a prima facie plausibility for me. In his Apologia, Newman argues that man’s rebellion against God introduced an “anarchical condition of things,” leading human thought toward “suicidal excesses.” Hence, the fittingness of a divinely established living voice infallibly proclaiming supernatural truths. In his discourse on “Faith and Private Judgment,” Newman castigates Protestants for refusing to “surrender” reason in matters religious. The implication is that reason is unreliable in matters of revelation. Faith is assent to the incontestable, self-evident truth of God’s revelation, and reasoning becomes an excuse to refuse to bend the knee.

The more I internalized ­Newman’s claims about private judgment, however, the more I descended into skepticism. I could not reliably interpret the Scriptures, history, or God’s Word preached and given in the sacraments. But if I could not do these things, if my reason was unfit in matters religious, how was I to assess Newman’s arguments for Roman Catholicism? Newman himself had once recognized this dilemma, writing in a pre-conversion letter, “We have too great a horror of the principle of private judgment to trust it in so immense a matter as that of changing from one communion to another.” Did he expect me to forfeit the faculty by which I adjudicate truth claims, because that faculty is fallible? My ­conversion would have to be rooted in my private ­judgment—but, because of Rome’s claim of infallibility, conversion would forbid me from exercising that faculty ever again on doctrinal questions.

Finally, the infighting among traditionalist, conservative, and liberal Catholics made plain that Catholics did not gain by their magisterium a clear, living voice of divine authority. They received from the past a set of magisterial documents that had to be weighed and interpreted, often over against living prelates. The ­magisterium of prior ages only multiplied the texts one had to interpret for oneself, for living bishops, it turns out, are as bad at reading as the rest of us.

But I did not remain a Protestant merely because I could not become a Catholic. While I was discovering that Roman Catholicism could not be straightforwardly identified with the catholicism of the first six centuries (nor, in certain respects, with that of the seventh century through the twelfth), and as I was wrestling with Newman, I finally began reading the Reformers. What I found shocked me. Catholicism had, by this time, reoriented my theological concerns around the concerns of the Church catholic. My assumptions, and the issues that animated me, were those of the Church of history. My evangelical upbringing had led me to believe that Protestantism entailed the rejection of these concerns. But this notion exploded upon contact with the Protestantism of history.

Martin Luther, John Calvin, Richard Hooker, Herman Bavinck, Karl Barth—they wrestled with the concerns of the Church catholic and provided answers to the questions Catholicism had taught me to pose. Richard Hooker interpreted the Church’s traditions; Calvin followed Luther’s Augustinianism, proclaimed the visible Church the mother of the faithful, and claimed for the Reformation the Church’s exegetical tradition; Barth convinced me that God’s Word could speak, certainly and surely, from beyond all created realities, to me.

Catholicism had taught me to think like a Protestant, because, as it turned out, the Reformers had thought like catholics. Like their pope-aligned opponents, they had asked questions about justification, the authority of tradition, the mode of Christ’s self-gift in the Eucharist, the nature of apostolic succession, and the Church’s wielding of the keys. Like their opponents, Protestants had appealed to Scripture and tradition. In time, I came to find their answers not only plausible, but more faithful to Scripture than the Catholic answers, and at least as well-represented in the traditions of the Church.

The Protestants did more than out-catholic the Catholics. They also spoke to the deepest needs of sinful souls. I will never forget the moment when, like Luther five hundred years earlier, I discovered justification by faith alone through union with Christ. I was sitting in my dorm room by myself. I had been assigned Luther’s Explanations of the Ninety-Five ­Theses, and I expected to find it facile. A year or two prior, I had decided that Trent was right about justification: It was entirely a gift of grace consisting of the gradual perfecting of the soul by faith and works—God instigating and me cooperating. For years, I had attempted to live out this model of justification. I had gone to Mass regularly, prayed the rosary with friends, fasted frequently, read the Scriptures daily, prayed earnestly, and sought advice from spiritual directors. I had begun this arduous cooperation with God’s grace full of hope; by the time I sat in that dorm room alone, I was distraught and demoralized. I had learned just how wretched a sinner I was: No good work was unsullied by pride, no repentance unaccompanied by expectations of future sin, no love free from selfishness.

In this state, I picked up my copy of that arch-heretic Luther and read his explanation of Thesis 37: “Any true Christian, whether living or dead, participates in all the blessings of Christ and the church; and this is granted him by God, even without indulgence letters.” With these words, Luther transformed my understanding of justification: Every Christian possesses Christ, and to possess Christ is to possess all of Christ’s righteousness, life, and merits. Christ had joined me to himself.

I had “put on Christ” in baptism and, by faith through the work of the Spirit, all things were mine, and I was Christ’s, and Christ was God’s (Gal. 3:27; 1 Cor. 3:21–23). His was not an uncertain mercy; his was not a grace of parts, which one hoped would become a whole; his was not a salvation to be attained, as though it were not already also a present possession. At that moment, the joy of my salvation poured into my soul. I wept and showed forth God’s praise. I had finally discovered the true ground and power of Protestantism: “My beloved is mine, and I am his” (Song 2:16).

Rome had brought me to ­Reformation.


TOPICS: Catholic; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

LOL ... Luther lives in your mind rent free! Projection is not a movie theater app. Typical Catholic approach, when the heat gets to seeping truth into the Catholic mind, they leap for a reference to Luther. Nut I wonder, do your religion’s many homosexual priests do that or do they just turn aside to avoid truth?


601 posted on 09/15/2019 10:49:47 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: ealgeone

Oh please.
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Of course, but you’re failing to address the issue: Nobody is suggesting that these people will escape the dire consequences of their iniquity. It’s only Luther’s followers who make that heretical error!


602 posted on 09/15/2019 10:49:52 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Bad guys will enslave or exterminate good guys who acquiesce.)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

BTW, real Christian faith is faithing in Jesus and HIS righteousness, not the strivings on a sacramental trek fabricated by a religion empowering its priesthood for carnal delights.


603 posted on 09/15/2019 10:51:48 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

The perfection (another way of identifying the Righteousness of Christ) is IMPUTED by God to the souls who are born from above. But we wouldn’t expect a drip drip infusion works based religion to comprehend that.


604 posted on 09/15/2019 10:55:19 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

I wonder, do your religion’s many homosexual priests do that or do they just turn aside to avoid truth?
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Whether they do or not is quite beside the point, which is that they, just like unrepentant sinners everywhere, will get what they deserve when they fall into to hands of an angry God, ESPECIALLY those who run sinners who run around proudly proclaiming that their preacher told them they were saved when they answered the altar call!


605 posted on 09/15/2019 10:56:21 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Bad guys will enslave or exterminate good guys who acquiesce.)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
Of all the many errors Roman Catholics make is the failed assumption non-Roman Catholics follow Luther.

Jesus told Nicodemus the following:

16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

17“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:16-18 NASB

Did Jesus commit an error in what He told Nicodemus?

606 posted on 09/15/2019 11:01:50 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
And 'they' are as delusional as you are proving to be! If the behavior is not changing to the family character the soul is still dead. Your eye is fixed upon what you find familiar not upon the righteousness of Christ IMPUTED to the true believer, the believer who will be conromed to the image GOD desires, by HIS doing .. 'For it is GOD WHO is in you bother to will and to do of His good pleasure.'

No matter how many examples of fraudulent faith you point to, you are not changing your destiny until you humble yourself and give up to His empowerment and receive His righteousness that you can never duplicate.

607 posted on 09/15/2019 11:02:48 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

conromed? LOL Conformed into the image God desires for them as family members.


608 posted on 09/15/2019 11:07:17 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
Bacj to the important issue: Let me ask you, do you live in fear for your salvation, or do you live in joy knowing GOD has imputed the righteousness of Christ to you an undeserving sinner who could never birth himself into God’s family and certainly would be defeated by satan were it not for the Seal of God upon your once dead spirit?

You forum name notwithstanding, we're not discussing luck here, this is serious reality of a relationship not a religion.

609 posted on 09/15/2019 11:13:25 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Mark17
I tend to think that He will not let any false religions exist.

Well, there's one, and it is the worst. I doubt if God permits Himsslf to prevent it by fiddling with a human's mind. It's that of Satan--self-worship.

610 posted on 09/15/2019 11:39:33 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat; metmom
The perfection to which you refer is a matter determined by the Lord in regard to each soul, not by you my dear.

And we know what the Lord determined what that matter has to be...It is 100% perfection...Sinless...No paying for sins...No waiting out a sentence in purgatory...

the biblical truth that eternal punishment awaits ALL who FAIL to live righteous lives as commanded throughout the Holy Scriptures.

Well then, there's not a Catholic from the apostle Peter to your latest pope (or any one in between) who did or will succeed at that endeavor...So you're all lost...Why even go to Church??? That's not going to help you in hell...Why did Jesus die since no one could or can live righteous lives???

The BIG question is: What are you counting on to get to heaven???

611 posted on 09/15/2019 12:22:51 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
I’ve lived most of my life around such people, i.e., liars, thieves, and all manner of fornicators who waltz in and out of the honky-tonks and whorehouses and casinos and crack houses whenever they’re not busy waltzing in and out of the jails and prisons!

Sounds like you need to find Jesus...

612 posted on 09/15/2019 12:26:11 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: MHGinTN

I wonder, do your religion’s many homosexual priests do that or do they just turn aside to avoid truth?
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Whether they do or not is quite beside the point, which is that they, just like unrepentant sinners everywhere, will get what they deserve when they fall into to hands of an angry God, ESPECIALLY those who run sinners who run around proudly proclaiming that their preacher told them they were saved when they answered the altar call!


613 posted on 09/15/2019 1:11:28 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Bad guys will enslave or exterminate good guys who acquiesce.)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

Have you read #609?


614 posted on 09/15/2019 1:16:25 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Iscool

The BIG question is: What are you counting on to get to heaven???
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Answered in Matt7:21.

In the King James Version of the Bible Jesus is quoted as follows:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth
the will of my Father which is in heaven.

The will of the Father which is in heaven is revealed throughout the Holy Scriptures. Ignore that revelation and cling to your simplistic, self-serving interpretations at your own peril!


615 posted on 09/15/2019 1:22:48 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Bad guys will enslave or exterminate good guys who acquiesce.)
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To: metmom; fortes fortuna juvat
Yes, look at what follows:

James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

This does NOT mean that you get justified by doing good works.

What it DOES mean is that other humans seeing one's resultant good works shows that the person is justified, declared righteous by God the Judge, no longer under His condemnation.

You could declare that your faith is true and has saved you, which God already knows apart from any works you may do; BUT . . .

. . . fellow humans, not being omniscient, can only give your claims credence when they SEE that your behavior is consistent with having been justified as a consequence of your second birth in and by the Spirit.

Try this again, with explanatory superscripts:

James 2:24 Yeas humans that cannot look at a person's heart as God can seeby concrete evidence then how that by righteousworks a man isdemonstrably justified(already pardoned by God forever), and not by faith which was sufficient for being Spirituaslly reborn onlybut not externally evident to the human observer apart from works proceeding from a justified existence.

This is the syntactical and contextual sense in which this translation is to be interpreted. To think that doing works gets you justified is utterly foreign to the overall context, and is a false, incredible doctrine.

616 posted on 09/15/2019 1:26:39 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: MHGinTN

In the King James Version of the Bible Jesus is quoted as follows:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth
the will of my Father which is in heaven.

The will of the Father which is in heaven is revealed throughout the Holy Scriptures. Ignore that revelation and cling to your simplistic, self-serving interpretations at your own peril!


617 posted on 09/15/2019 1:27:16 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Bad guys will enslave or exterminate good guys who acquiesce.)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat; ealgeone
Of course, but you’re failing to address the issue: Nobody is suggesting that these people will escape the dire consequences of their iniquity.

Maybe some consequences here on earth, but do you REALLY understand what Jesus came to do and what His taking our sin on Himself is all about?

Salvation is about Jesus being the substitutionary sacrifice for our sins, Him taking the punishment for our sins so that we don't have to.

618 posted on 09/15/2019 1:30:47 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

In the King James Version of the Bible Jesus is quoted as follows:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth
the will of my Father which is in heaven.

The will of the Father which is in heaven is revealed throughout the Holy Scriptures. Ignore that revelation and cling to your simplistic, self-serving interpretations at your own peril!


619 posted on 09/15/2019 1:32:49 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Bad guys will enslave or exterminate good guys who acquiesce.)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
John 6:29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

It's not about doing things.

Even bad people can do good things.

It's about believing God.

620 posted on 09/15/2019 1:36:33 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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