Posted on 09/11/2019 10:52:15 AM PDT by Gamecock
So the sinless, perfect righteousness of Christ isn't good enough for you?
You think you have to add your sin stained *works* to make up for what Jesus didn't do or something?
So here it also looks like you are saying that since you have to add those things to Christ's sinless perfect holy righteousness to be saved, that Jesus didn't do those things and that you have to do them because Jesus was lacking in those areas.
Have you read the Gospels lately?
Are you saying all baptized persons have tickets to Heaven?
Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler were both baptized.
P.S. You’re born again when you’re baptized. This mumbo jumbo about another “birth” after baptism is crazy and not biblical.
Agreed.
Again Paul is clearly teaching there is nothing we can do to earn or merit our salvation. It is God Who gives this to us. It is free to us.
Agreed.
Paul continues to make it clear here there are no deeds good enough for salvation. This is pointing back to faith and that faith is in Christ.
Agreed.
IF it is not a result of works. IF it is not a result of anything we can do then it comes down to faith as Paul noted in the beginning of these verses.
Agreed.
A believer in Christ will produce fruit.
Disagree. A believer should produce fruit by the grace of God but often fails to do so by his own choice.
You can do a million good deeds but without faith in Christ you will not be saved.
Agreed. But why do you even bring this up? Catholic no more believe in by works alone than they do by faith alone. They both must be present.
I didn't add them; Jesus Christ did. Take up you complaints with Him.
Not if our good works are only by the grace of God through faith.
Why don't you ask Jesus Christ? Why did He instruct us to perform works of mercy?
There's also the consideration that when Jesus did those works that He did them holy and pure and without sin stain, and for all the right reasons.
When we do our works, they are tainted with sin from the get go and even our motivation is suspect, which makes the works not God's kind of holy in His eyes.
Jesus did His works because He always did what He saw the Father doing.
When someone is doing them as part of working for salvation, their motive is wrong because it's self-centered, not other centered.
It's not done out of godly love from a pure heart but rather as a tool by which to manipulate God into forcing His hand to let that person into heaven. Which invalidates the work as being worthy of being considered salvific.
So doing the right works with the wrong motivation invalidates them.
On rare occasion, I suppose that someone might just be able to accidentally do something out of pure, godly love for the other person that is unstained by self, but I'm guessing that's pretty unlikely and pretty rare.
BTW, what if your list of works acceptable for earning salvation is different from someone else's?
How do you know who's right?
Glad to see you're admitting works are necessary with faith.
Call no man father.
What do I say?
You’re wrong.
There’s no contradiction.
Neither passage advocates living a sinful lifestyle.
Where do you come up with such preposterous nonsense?
I’m asking YOU.
Don’t pass the buck.
What do/did your kids call your husband?
Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again. But whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a fount of water springing up to eternal life.” (John 4:13,14)
For the Lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd. He will lead them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. (Rev.7:17)
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that hears say, Come. And let him that is thirsty come. And whoever will, let him take the water of life freely. (Rev. 22:17)
Works are not necessary with faith.
Works do NOT contribute to salvation.
One is saved and then the result of the salvation creates a changed heart that results in works.
It’s: Faith = Salvation + works.
Not: Faith + works = Salvation.
You all have the formula wrong.
Afraid to ask Jesus?
I feel sorry for you.
Anyone who says they must do works to get into heaven.
You have the wrong formula.
Grace => Faith (submission of the intellect) + Works (submission of the will) => Salvation
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