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To: Elsie

I assume you are referring to Christians being forgiven for their sins by accepting Christ as their savior and of course by your definition they are not sinless.

But your definition has no meaning to an atheist or a Deist like me since we don’t believe in the divinity of Christ. So all we can do is live our life a moral as we can. We are human and will make mistakes so all we can do is try to not repeat them. We can not fall back on the crutch of being forgiven.

I know that is hard to comprehend to you as a Christian.

For clarification Atheists do not believe in any god and Deists believe in a creator that created the universe but doesn’t actively interfere with it. So a completely different concept than the god of the Bible.

But maybe I am misinterpreting what you are getting at.


53 posted on 08/24/2019 1:21:02 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: Okieshooter
But your definition has no meaning to an atheist or a Deist like me since we don’t believe in the divinity of Christ.

THIS is what I was getting at.

There is no 'sin' if there is no 'law'.

When there is no law; how can there logically be anything known as 'moral'?

If we all do what is 'right' by our own standard; there is not peace but anarchy.

What is a 'mistake'? By whose standard is something a 'mistake'?

We can not fall back on the crutch of being forgiven.

Then we fall forward onto our own sword.


For clarification Atheists do not believe in any god and Deists believe in a creator that created the universe but doesn’t actively interfere with it.

Then what 'good' is there in being a Deist?

What is a Deist required to do?


What do Deists 'worship'?

Is the concept of 'worship' even a thing with Deists?

Would not a Deist be the same thing as a humanist?

59 posted on 08/24/2019 8:17:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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