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Refining the Origin of Life Argument
Depths of Pentecost ^ | July 27, 2019 | Philip Cottraux

Posted on 07/27/2019 4:52:02 PM PDT by pcottraux

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To: BroJoeK
That is a key point that many, if not most, cannot quite get their minds around.

Most of us are missing so much because we can't see the bigger picture...

21 posted on 07/29/2019 5:19:43 PM PDT by pcottraux (depthsofpentecost.com)
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To: zeestephen

That the RNA is the catalytic part of the ribosome is well known. It’s basic.

My comment was simply to point it out, not to judge if someone should know or not.


22 posted on 07/29/2019 5:30:17 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: pcottraux

Semiotics requires mind.

No gap there.


23 posted on 07/29/2019 5:38:43 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: ifinnegan
Re: That the RNA is the catalytic part of the ribosome is well known. It’s basic.

Right back where we started.

Just like the author, I am saying that the ribosome organelle is constructed out of proteins.

You said that when all the proteins are removed from the ribosome structure, it still functions normally.

That sounded pretty weird - like, you can take all the support columns out of a building, but it won't fall down.

However, since I am not a biologist, I agreed to take your word for it.

A claim like that might pass for “common knowledge” in your universe, but not in mine.

24 posted on 07/29/2019 5:55:54 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: reasonisfaith

Semiotics is simply the symbolic representation of meaning.

DNA = digital code = semiotics.

Semiotics requires mind.


25 posted on 07/29/2019 8:27:58 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: reasonisfaith

In crude deductive form:

1. The origin of digital code requires a mind.

2. DNA is a digital code.

3. Therefore, the origin of DNA requires a mind.


26 posted on 07/29/2019 8:31:48 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: zeestephen

You’re not writing articles about biology. Which makes sense.

It’s not arcane or esoteric anymore than knowing DNA is the genetic material or ATP is produced in the mitochondria.


27 posted on 07/29/2019 10:42:16 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan

Re: It’s not arcane or esoteric anymore than knowing DNA is the genetic material or ATP is produced in the mitochondria.

I know exactly what DNA, ATP, and mitochondria are.

What I don’t know is how you selectively remove the protein structure of an organelle without destroying it.

I am looking forward to your helpful instruction.


28 posted on 07/30/2019 3:59:34 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

RNA will form it’s own structure. Proteins are often associated.

RNA, unlike DNA, is very flexible.

In this case the proteins were removed with protease and SDS, a detergent. Neither affect RNA.

Unusual Resistance of Peptidyl Transferase to Protein Extraction Procedures

Harry F. Noller, Vernita Hoffarth and Ludwika Zimniak
Science
New Series, Vol. 256, No. 5062 (Jun. 5, 1992), pp. 1416-1419


29 posted on 07/30/2019 4:08:16 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: pcottraux

bfl


30 posted on 07/30/2019 4:08:58 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: ifinnegan
Interesting.

And, where are the ribosome structural proteins manufactured?

Just to be clear, I am not a religious person, and I find the Theory of Evolution to be very persuasive and very helpful.

However, the “chicken or egg” mystery of structural proteins in ribosomes has not been easily or compellingly explained.

31 posted on 07/30/2019 4:34:24 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

It’s not compelling.

It would be if RNA were not the catalytic component.


32 posted on 07/30/2019 11:51:16 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan
So, the ribosome is producing it's own structural proteins?

What adaptive function did that serve since free floating cellular RNA apparently worked just fine before the structural proteins showed up?

33 posted on 07/30/2019 5:14:58 PM PDT by zeestephen
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