No, Christians Should Not Believe in 'Left Behind's' Rapture Theology, Says Prominent Baptist

Christian post ^ | 26 June 2019 | Morgan Lee

[ravenwolf]

What I am claiming is that there is no rapture prior to the last day.

[Kandy Atz]

If people want to endure the time of Jacob’s Trouble, the dispensation of God’s judgment, God Bless them. They will need His favor all 7 years.

I am so thankful for His Love, and for His Grace. When I was religious and ignorant, reading Revelation was frightening and a challenge reconciling the God I was coming to KNOW, with what was to come at the end. Understanding His plan for His Body changed all that. And that came from Bible study and prayer, not reading the works of theologians and philosophers. So I can rest knowing that God has my back. Whether I sleep, or I am alive at His coming, I will appear with Him in Glory. As Paul writes in 1 Thessalonians 4:18 (KJV), Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Believers are NOT in Darkness, and NOT appointed to wrath.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-10 (KJV)
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

[ravenwolf]

I was not saying that but since you brought it up Jesus
was the son of God, God is spirit, that is why it says
Jesus was both God and man Jesus had the spirit of God.

God is spirit Jesus was a man.

[MHGinTN]

You make lots of assumptions, 'teacher'. The notion of an alive spirit not present might be applied to someone who is hell-bent to deny what Jesus taught directly then expounded through Paul.

Because God's Spirit is in my human spirit, I judge myself daily, hourly. Discernment is not something you can fabricate, it is a gift from His Spirit. You make a strenuous effort to get others to agree with your denials of what Jesus taught regarding returning to the first Heaven (the atmosphere) for His own, to return to the Father's House (third Heaven). Have you asked yourself why this issue is so important that you seek to lead others to accept your denials? Who has bewitched you?

[ravenwolf]

Since you brought it up Jesus was the son of God, God is spirit
Jesus was a man so it says Jesus was both God and man, Mon in body
and God in spirit.

[MHGinTN]

You might find reading the last portion of John 13 (the point beginning after Judas left to betray Jesus) and John14 that Jesus addresses the point upon which you appear stuck. Pay particular attention to 'from now on you have seen the Father'. A human can perceive only to the extent that they have dimensional capabilities. For a three-of-space and one-of-time limited being like we are before regeneration to see The Father Almighty we are limited to where HE intersects our limits, and THAT INTERSECTION IS JESUS.

A further point: John writes that when He appears (to return to the Father's House with us in tow) we shall be like He is now, greater than our current limits, for we shall see Him as He really is NOW. Our limits will have been expanded in the moment, in the twinkling of an eye such that we will perceive greater dimensionality than now.

[ShadowAce]

Perhaps--what you said, though, is that Jesus is not actually God.

God does have the characteristic of omnipresence. He can (and is) everywhere at the same some.

Just because He is sitting at the Father's right hand on His throne, does not preclude Him from being elsewhere at the same time.

[MHGinTN]

For Christians, the Bema Judgment is in Heaven, not at the Great White Throne of Judgment at the end of the millennium. The Beam is not for judging sin; Jesus took the judgment for sin on the Cross (John 19:30) The Bema is not to determine salvation (John 5:24).

The Bema is for besatowing crowns to the Believers:

Crowns of Incorruptiblitiy (1 Cor9:24-27), for Rejoicing (1 Thess 2:19-20), crown of Life (James 1:12; Rev 2:10), crown of Glory (1Pet 5:2-4), and crown of Righteousness (2 Tim 4:8).

Some will stand before the Bema and receive no crown but will be there in Heaven, saved by the Grace of God in Christ (1 Cor 3:15). You want to be standing before the Bema; don't be waiting for the Great White Throne of Judgment.

[MHGinTN]

BTW, IF you actually want me to read your entire posts, don’t post them as a mass of red print on the screen. My eyes are too bad to bother with that ... “Ain’t nobody got time for that’!

[ravenwolf]

It only verifys to me what I have said.

[ravenwolf]

If you believe that is what I said then so be it, I can only go
as far as his word takes me.

[ShadowAce]

Hey--I'm just reading what you wrote:

You can not get Jesus back until then and that will be for the judgement.

[ravenwolf]

And I only wrote what I see in scripture, I have my opinions but
unless I am throughy convinced one way or another I am not going to argue about them.

[lgjhn23]

“...Denial of Daniel, Ezekiel, Thessalonians, Revelation,etc. is part of the end times apostasy. I hear only half of new Southern Baptist ministers now believe in dispensation all theology....”
Which is why I and my household will no longer sit under the teachings of them.
I was Baptist all my life until I met Jesus. I’m now 68. I will NOT sit under the teachings of these new apostasy babblers any longer. Let each person search the Scriptures for themselves. Do not be led astray by wolves in sheep’s clothing.

[ravenwolf]

You said just because jesus Is sitting at the father’s right hand
on the throne does not preclude him from being every where else
at the same time.
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I believe it is possible but not scripture, John 14:3 and if I go and prepare a
place for you I will come and receive you to myself.

John 6:40 this is the will of him that sent me that he who has seem me and belivetf
shall have eternal life and I will raise him up at the last day.

We read scripture and we also read into scripture which may not always be wrong but
can easily be, at any rate that is where the belief that jesus will come and rapture
his people before the last day.

[ShadowAce]

I believe it is possible but not scripture, ...

So--receiving Jesus into your heart isn't actually done, then.

We read scripture and we also read into scripture...

Yes, we do. That includes yourself--and your preterist beliefs.

[ravenwolf]

So you believe we should just go with what ever takes our
fancy?, I can’t do that.

[af_vet_1981]

the Bema Judgment is in Heaven, not at the Great White Throne

1. The text does discuss the location of the throne, other than heaven and earth flee from it.
2. The bema judgment is a throne (raised seat of the judge).
3. The great white throne in the vision is a throne which is in harmony with the judgment of the sheep and the goats, which the Messiah taught His disciples privately, and which they passed on to the Church.
4. Since the Last Judgment is for the sheep and the goats, and we all must stand before the bema of God (Romans) and bow the knee and confess with the tongue, and since we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ so that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he has done, whether it be good or bad, there is only one judgment.
5. As it is written, Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Acts, Catholic chapter seventeen, Protestant verse thirty one ,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[af_vet_1981]

In answer to the question (Post 200: "Is this the ‘official’ Catholic teaching?"), that is the official Catholic teaching.

[MHGinTN]

Thank you. There is the Bema for Christians, and the Great White throne of Judgment for the rest of the world. Sheep and goats separation is reserved, I believe from my years of study, for the Jews since Abraham. The separation of sheep and goats takes place before the Great White Throne of Judgment perhaps at the beginning of the millennium reign of Christ upon the Earth.<

BTW, thank you for the font use of a readable type. My old eyes appreciate that very much./p>