Posted on 07/23/2019 5:26:09 AM PDT by Cronos
Your website and garbage certainly is - not to mention you.
Good grief! You can’t even get the dispensations right!
The Temple in Revelation is the Lord Himself in the New Jerusalem - you are way off!
A 3rd Temple (Daniel 9:27) will be built and desecrated. Nero and Titus didn’t desecrate the 2nd Temple that was destroyed in 70.
This is such an amateur discussion with you, it’s no longer even worth wasting anybody’s time. Even going so far as to site your source that calls Jesus (King of Kings) a drunk! Absurd! (Refer to SaveFerris’s post in 340).
My last response to your nonsense is this so others can see how childish & ignorant you are in the Holy Word of God:
Proverbs 26:4-5
4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
Or you will also be like him.
5 Answer a fool as his folly deserves,
That he not be wise in his own eyes.
We’re done here!!
This guy might as well be a pagan. His mocking and use of a website that states Christ is drunk is astounding.
He’ll get his reward soon enough...
Yeah, I’m done with this thread of deception from a website of obvious mockers.
This thread should have been deleted or at least locked.
In Matthew 24:3 the disciples asked Jesus this question.
“Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
It's asking about His Second Coming. The disciples asked about THAT time. bout FUTURE events.
So that sets the stage for the rest of Matthew 24. Jesus is answering THAT question, the question related to His Second Coming.
The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD was not the Second Coming of Christ. That is in the future yet. It could not be what Jesus was talking about because it's not part of the Second Coming.
Nor did that time see wars and earthquakes and famines of the degree that He indicated.
The gospel had not been proclaimed to the whole world yet, and even now has still not.
The fig tree symbolizes Israel and Jesus said that the lesson of the fig tree is that when it puts out its shoots, you know that summer is near, so that hen they saw those signs He mentioned, then His coming is near.
Jesus did not return in 70 AD.
So these signs and their fulfillment must have yet to happen.
Now comes the verse that everyone looking to deny the rapture and tribulation messes up.
Jesus says this....."Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place."
So in the midst of this entire discourse on the Tribulation, the end times, and His Second Coming, all of a sudden we're supposed to think that Jesus switches back to talking about the present generation for ONE sentence, and then goes back to discussing future events related to His Second Coming?
Hardly...... It makes no sense.
The *this generation* means the generation that is alive when those things begin and occur, just before the Second Coming of Jesus.
If Jesus meant the generation to which He was talking was going to be the ones to see those signs and His Second Coming, and we know the prophecy was not fulfilled in 70 AD as Jesus did not return then, that would then mean Jesus must be considered a false prophet.
THAT'S a keeper.
No, it is not!
Aside from a few oddballs, not a person I know or have heard preach has ever thought they knew exactly when.
Matter of fact, when someone makes that claim, NOBODY I know believes him.
Whenever anyone I know who believes in the rapture hears someone claim they know the exact time, they are immediately branded as a cultist.
1 And Jesus being come out of the temple, went away. And his disciples came to shew him the buildings of the temple.-- They ask him when shall the temple be destroyed.
2 And he answering, said to them: Do you see all these things? Amen I say to you there shall not be left here a stone upon a stone that shall not be destroyed.
3 And when he was sitting on mount Olivet, the disciples came to him privately, saying: Tell us when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the consummation of the world?
He prophesied that it would happen in their generation (in the next 40 years) - and he was true. He was crucified around AD 30 and the temple was destroyed in AD 69-70
That is why in Matthew 24:16 Then they that are in Judea, let them flee to the mountains —> the Christians in Jerusalem remembered these words and fled to Pellas in the mountains around Jerusalem
And that's why Jesus in MAtthew 23:29-38 -- the chapter before the one you quoted, says
Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites.... Thus you witness against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets... Truly I say to you, All this will come upon this generation.This is the significance of the second coming where Jerusalem, the harlot-city referred to in the book of the Apocalypse, is judged - the "coming" being the point of Judgement echoing Isaiah 19:1 "Behold the Lord is riding on a swift cloud and comes to Egypt; and the idols of Egypt will tremble at his presence"
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets... Behold your house is forsaken and desolate
Remember also that the Second Coming terminology relates to Matthew 13 where the wicked are burnt up
Christ did come back spiritually where the 1000 year reign is the age of christianity - the 1000 number, just as the numbers 6 and 7 which are sprinkled through the book of the Apocalypse is symbolic.
your dispensations that you put up is a 19th century invention by John Nelson Darby. It’s, to put it simply, non-biblical nonsense.
The Temple spoken of in the book of the apocalypse is Jesus
John 2:21 But he spoke of the temple of his body.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein. For the Lord God Almighty is the temple thereof, and the Lamb.
Whether the modern-day Jews (descendents of the Pharisees and I don’t mean that in a pejorative sense - we are spiritual descendents of the Christ-following Jews) rebuild the physical Temple or not, is irrelevant to Christ’s plan — the true temple that is the Lamb, God Jesus is already here
If you say “The Temple in Revelation is the Lord Himself in the New Jerusalem - you are way off!” — it shows that you haven’t read the book of the Apocalypse well enough — Apocalypse 21:22 says clearly “And I saw no temple therein. For the Lord God Almighty is the temple thereof, and the Lamb.”
Daniel 9 prophesies JESUS's coming -- Daniel 9:24-26 is where we find it. It says: "Listen, and understand. Seven sevens plus sixty-two sevens will pass from the time the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until a ruler – the Messiah – comes. Jerusalem will be rebuilt with streets and strong defenses, despite the distressing times. After this period of sixty-two sevens, the Messiah will be killed…"
So let’s do the math on that: first, it says “Seven sevens plus sixty-two sevens” will pass from the time the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until the Messiah dies. So that’s 49 (7x7) plus 434 (62x7) = 483 years.
Fortunately, it later tells us when to start the countdown. Nehemiah 2:1-6 states that King Artaxerxes of Persia gave the order in his “twentieth year”, which was 445 BC, according to Britannica (sources at end), in "the month of Nisan" (the Hebrew month corresponding to our March and April).
So, knowing this, we can calculate exactly when it’s saying the Messiah would die. From the command being given to rebuild Jerusalem to the death of the Messiah is 483 years. 483 years after 445 BC would get us 38 AD, but we need to convert the date, as the calendar Daniel was using was slightly different from ours.
Our calendar has 365.25 days, while the Babylonian one Daniel was using had 360 days.
The temple referred to in Daniel 9:27 is the second temple (you do realize that was written before the building of the 2nd temple, right?) being destroyed by the 10th Legion in 69 AD
you, war_crim haven't read the bible well to make such errors
So, my last response to your nonsense, Roman_WC is this so others can see how childish & ignorant you are in the Holy Word of God:
Proverbs 26:4-5
4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
Or you will also be like him.
5 Answer a fool as his folly deserves,
That he not be wise in his own eyes.
We’re done here!!
I really urge you to throw out your non-biblical left behind Rapture - and listen to Jesus who Himself prophesied the destruction of Jerusalem
And it was only called the Roman Church after the 16th century.
And finally, it never had Jerusalem
Sorry, but you are mixing up a lot of things and getting them wrong
The Ottoman Empire persecuted Jews and Christians -- whatever makes you think they didn't?
The neo-Assyrian empire didn't occupy the Caucasus - the Georgian tribes (Kartvelians) along with the ancestors of the Abkhaz and Circassians were opposing them and the Assyrians had no way to get near the foothills
The descendents of those lost tribes are Iraqis and iranians -- btw, both of these as well as Israelis, Arabs, Indians, Berbers are all "Caucasians" in the debunked "races" system
The Caucasian people -- like the Chechens - aren't Israelites and have language families unlike the Semitic and genetics that are definitely not related to Semites. Btw, most europeans don't have semitic genes either
It was considered a continuation of the dominiate after Romulus Augustus
Also the empire of Charlemagne fell apart and was reconnected by the Ottonian dynasty in the 10th century
The Holy Roman Empire you refer to was never anywhere near Jerusalem, so it puts fail to you point
It was also an empire that ENDED in 1806 -- you do know that, don't you? That the HRE ended in 1806?
It is a recent invention, from the 19th century. It’s also biblically incorrect and when it says that Jesus didn’t predict the destruction of Old Jerusalem and the creation of the New Jerusalem, the spiritual Jerusalem that is Christianity, it is blasphemous
I have no idea where you come up with all of these false ideas
the ottoman empire never even began until 1299.
I don’t mind discussing with some one who is serious but you are
not serious at all and it is just a waste of time.
I Have been reading your comments as I believe you do know a little
of the Bible but it obviously ends with the destruction of Jerusalem
So any comments from here on will be ignored.
Good day professor.
What false ideas?
1. The Empire of Charlemagne was never referred to as the “Holy Roman Empire” — it was called initially the Frankish Empire, then with Charles Magne’s coronation as the Roman empire — never the “Holy” Roman Empire
It was considered a continuation of the dominiate after Romulus Augustus
2. the empire of Charlemagne fell apart and was reconnected by the Ottonian dynasty in the 10th century
3. The Holy Roman Empire you refer to was never anywhere near Jerusalem
4. It was also an empire that ENDED in 1806 — you do know that, don’t you? That the HRE ended in 1806?
Which one of these facts do you dispute?
And the Ottoman Empire starts in the 13th century - about the same time the Ottonian empire starts being called and calling itself the Holy Roman Empire - to distinguish itself from the short-lived Latin Empire of the East
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