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To: buwaya
"Reading the Koran is not a good way to understand Islam."

exactly. The Koran wouldn't make any sense by itself.

11 posted on 07/20/2019 1:53:51 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn; PIF
The Koran wouldn't make any sense by itself.

The problem with reading the Koran is it's 114 chapters are out of order. The Meccca and Medina chapters are mixed up.

Muhammad started in Mecca and tried to convert by lecturing people about Allah, without any threats of violence.
He did not convert many people only about 150 in 13 years.

His own tribe felt he was bad for business and planned to kill him after his uncle Talib who protected him died.
He fled north 200 miles to Medina with his best friend Abu Bakhr ,where he joined his converts and preached Islam, but also killed by the sword those who resisted his Islamic agenda.
This resort to violence over the next 10 years spread Islam over the entire Arabian peninsula.
It only took Muhammad 5 years to wipe out all the Jews in Medina.

By mixing up the Mecca mister nice guy chapters with the violent Medina no more mister nice guy chapters, the Koran is confusing, unless you first read about the life and times of Muhammad, and find out and read the Koran in historical order. -Tom

12 posted on 07/20/2019 2:27:51 PM PDT by Capt. Tom
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To: Steve Van Doorn; buwaya; PIF
Yes, you can't understand Islam simply by reading the Koran. For example, the passage condemning Abu Lahab and his wife-without specifying who they are, what their offenses were, or why they deserve hellfire-makes absolutely no sense as a standalone passage in the Koran.

However, Islam, as Muslims conceive of it, doesn't make sense period, even if you've read every Tafsir and Hadith-either daif or sahih-there is.

There's no way to make sense of a religion that claims that a book which asserts that Jesus was never crucified, Haman was a regent under Pharoah, and the Sun sets in a muddy puddle, is a God-written, pre-existent, inerrant document.

16 posted on 07/20/2019 4:50:16 PM PDT by OddLane
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