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To: Steve Van Doorn; PIF
The Koran wouldn't make any sense by itself.

The problem with reading the Koran is it's 114 chapters are out of order. The Meccca and Medina chapters are mixed up.

Muhammad started in Mecca and tried to convert by lecturing people about Allah, without any threats of violence.
He did not convert many people only about 150 in 13 years.

His own tribe felt he was bad for business and planned to kill him after his uncle Talib who protected him died.
He fled north 200 miles to Medina with his best friend Abu Bakhr ,where he joined his converts and preached Islam, but also killed by the sword those who resisted his Islamic agenda.
This resort to violence over the next 10 years spread Islam over the entire Arabian peninsula.
It only took Muhammad 5 years to wipe out all the Jews in Medina.

By mixing up the Mecca mister nice guy chapters with the violent Medina no more mister nice guy chapters, the Koran is confusing, unless you first read about the life and times of Muhammad, and find out and read the Koran in historical order. -Tom

12 posted on 07/20/2019 2:27:51 PM PDT by Capt. Tom
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To: Capt. Tom

Right and that’s why reading the Sunnahs and Hadiths are essential to the understanding of the koran. Absent that, its just a waste of time as the reader will understand nothing or misunderstand everything which is likely worse.


13 posted on 07/20/2019 3:06:17 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Capt. Tom
The book is a mess. The compilers of the Koran, which was not the false prophet Mahomet, did not know what to make of it. It was “written” down after Mahomet's many epileptic trances. whoever was there just wrote it down on anything they could find—palm leaves, stones, bones—anything. Aiesha, Mahomet's child bride, recounts a story where one part of the koran , written on palm leaves, was eaten by a donkey.
As it was not a true scripture given of the true God, they did not know what to do with it. So they pieced it together with the longest surahs to the shortest, irrespective of the historical dates of the surahs. But they even got that wrong as the second is longer than the first. The whole thing is a joke, an evil joke on humanity and true Judeo-Christian society and culture.
14 posted on 07/20/2019 3:31:36 PM PDT by Fungi
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