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To: Steve Van Doorn; buwaya; PIF
Yes, you can't understand Islam simply by reading the Koran. For example, the passage condemning Abu Lahab and his wife-without specifying who they are, what their offenses were, or why they deserve hellfire-makes absolutely no sense as a standalone passage in the Koran.

However, Islam, as Muslims conceive of it, doesn't make sense period, even if you've read every Tafsir and Hadith-either daif or sahih-there is.

There's no way to make sense of a religion that claims that a book which asserts that Jesus was never crucified, Haman was a regent under Pharoah, and the Sun sets in a muddy puddle, is a God-written, pre-existent, inerrant document.

16 posted on 07/20/2019 4:50:16 PM PDT by OddLane
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To: OddLane
The best part in my opinion of the Qur'an is Al-'Uzza, al-Lat and Manah which are Allah's three daughters (Sura 53:19-23.) Then after saying that the devil himself told him to say it and he was tricked. Which means he is admitting the devil's own words come out of his mouth.

Later he admitted a large part of what he said was from the devil himself.

of course Muslims compartmentalize the Qur'an and the hadiths to what are strong and weak. So it's all good.

18 posted on 07/20/2019 5:22:10 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: OddLane
However, Islam, as Muslims conceive of it, doesn't make sense period, even if you've read every Tafsir and Hadith-either daif or sahih-there is.

To avoid confusion and contradictions in Islam all a Muslim has to do is follow the example of God's messenger Muhammad,and the 4 Caliphs who immediately followed Muhammad.

These Caliphs, Abu Bahkr-Umar-Uthman and Ali knew and interacted with Muhammad and understood the fundamentals of Islam.
Which is basically: subjugate convert or kill anyone on this planet that does not believe there is one God and Muhammad is his prophet. -tom

26 posted on 07/21/2019 8:59:02 AM PDT by Capt. Tom
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