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Pope Francis: Chinese bishops know they ‘must be good patriots’ to Communist regime
LifeSite News ^ | May 29, 2019 | Claire Chretien

Posted on 05/29/2019 2:47:36 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: ebb tide

China is a repressive totalitarian Marxist regime and the pope loves it. *slam is a repressive totalitarian theocratic regime and he loves it.


21 posted on 05/29/2019 4:56:10 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Islam, not a religion, a totalitarian political ideology aiming for world domination. -Wilders)
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To: BitWielder1
Of course. Oceania has always been at war with EastAsia..
22 posted on 05/29/2019 5:41:34 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Power is more often surrendered than seized.)
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To: ebb tide

When was the last time he taught Catholic doctrine... or mentioned Jesus?


23 posted on 05/29/2019 5:42:14 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: dp0622
The Uighurs have separatist notions. The Catholics do not. They just want the State to leave them alone to worship God as they choose.

But totalitarian regimes cannot tolerate any alternative focus of allegiance whatsoever. They need the country to be an undifferentiated anthill.

24 posted on 05/29/2019 5:48:21 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Power is more often surrendered than seized.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

That’s why I’m surprised they even let the Pretense of allowing Catholicism to exist.


25 posted on 05/29/2019 5:50:37 PM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Salvation
Please tell us, then, do you believe God does not lead the Pope, the leader of the Catholic Church? Or do you not believe God led the Cardinals to properly elect him? Or something else, Mrs. Don-o?
26 posted on 05/29/2019 6:08:56 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Maybe he was elected to get rid of the papolatry that seems to afflict so many Catholics.


27 posted on 05/29/2019 6:18:31 PM PDT by rmichaelj (Ave Maria gratia plena, Dominus tecum.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

That’s right inform on your fellow Catholic brothers and sisters, says the Pope???


28 posted on 05/29/2019 6:31:45 PM PDT by McCarthysGhost
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To: ConservativeMind; Mrs. Don-o; Salvation
If God leads the cardinals, as you claim, why hasn't every papal election been unanimous?

If God leads all popes why did Pope Benedict XVI lift the suppression that Paul VI had placed on the Tridentine Mass; or why is Francis now going after Humanae Vitae, issued by Paul VI, whom Francis hss just canonized?

The Vatican is Coming After Humanae Vitae: Time to Fight Back

Face it, CM, Bergoglio follows some "god of surprises", but it is not the Holy Trinity.

29 posted on 05/29/2019 6:37:31 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

So you honestly believe the Pope and the majority of Cardinals are corrupt and are leading the Catholic Church and you still call yourself a Catholic and give money to the Catholic Church?


30 posted on 05/29/2019 6:41:41 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind
Thank you for asking, Conservative Mind. I am happy to clarify.

I believe that God leads, not only the Pope, but all who call upon His name. Scripture says we are called to different gifts, to different works, by one Holy Spirit.

Being led is always contingent upon our consent, because none of us are automata. God's will is not contingent upon our performance, but His will shall prevail, through us or despite us.

The same goes for the conclave that elects a pope. Surely everyone is praying for the Spirit's guidance, but just as surely Cardinals can make bad choices. You may note that only 83 out of 266 popes are officially canonized saints (roughly 1/3), and some of those chosen were incontestably scoundrels.

By my count (I am not the Judge, but I have my opinions!) about 10 or 11 were criminally bad. I would say ---my opinion --- under 5%. Jesus' personal picks turned out 8% criminal (speaking of Judas) so I supposed 5 - 8 percent bad apples may be par.

A great many more popes were well-intended, but variously flawed, smart, dumb, ambitious, lazy, naive, cowardly, mediocre, many merely adequate and yet to some extent derelict in their duties. But they didn't lead the whole Church into error: Men, thank you for your service.

Not only that, but there were some 30-40 antipopes in history, which means the elections were contested, resulting in two claimants. (These weren't all villains: some of this was just a result of political vagaries and electoral glitches, and I think one of the antipopes is now a canonized saint.)

There was one particularly bumpy stretch in the early 15th century (the Western Schism) when for 40 years there were two, and sometimes three simultaneous claimants to the papacy. This produced crippling historic consequences that are still plaguing us even to this day.

That is not to say that the Holy Spirit has failed to protect the Church. On the contrary, the survival of the Church, the honest, loyal Christ-honoring and civilization-creating faith of her millionfold members and the incomparable glory of her saints--- despite clerical malpractice going right up to the top--- constitutes a historically unique example of Divine Providence.

In the early 1800's, Cardinal Ercole Consalvi served as Vatican Secretary of State under Pope Pius VI, who had a long-running dispute with Napoleon. At one point, Napoleon burst out in anger, "I will destroy the Church!" Consalvi replied, "Your Majesty, with all due respect, if we clergy haven't been able to destroy the Church in 1800 years, what makes you think you could do it?" `

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31 posted on 05/29/2019 6:46:55 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("It is better to be slapped with the Truth than to be kissed with a Lie.")
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To: ConservativeMind

At one point the majority of bishops were Arians.


32 posted on 05/29/2019 6:47:21 PM PDT by rmichaelj (Ave Maria gratia plena, Dominus tecum.)
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To: ebb tide; Salvation; ConservativeMind; Roman_War_Criminal; McCarthysGhost
You may be interested in mine at #31.

I think Conservative Mind is just being provocative. (Amirite, CM?) But that is OK. Abrasives scrub, after all. It serves a legitimate heuristic function.

33 posted on 05/29/2019 7:02:35 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("It is better to be slapped with the Truth than to be kissed with a Lie.")
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To: ConservativeMind
So you honestly believe the Pope and the majority of Cardinals are corrupt (Yes) and are leading the Catholic Church (Nope, I only believing their leading foolish Catholics) and you still call yourself a Catholic (Yes) and give money to the Catholic Church (Yes, but I'm very selective)

Anybody who gives money to the USCCB's numerous solicitations or Bergoglio's Peter's Pence is a fool.

34 posted on 05/29/2019 7:09:15 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Good post. Thanks.


35 posted on 05/29/2019 7:14:25 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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Cardinal, now laicized Mr. McCarrick the sodomite of seminarians and fellow priests, under the auspices of Pope Francis was part of the negotiations to throw the underground Chinese Church under the bus. The heroic Chinese Cardinal Zen who was involved with the underground Church pleaded with Francis to no avail, not to sell out the underground Church. Francis who publicly condemns Western Nationalism is all for the Communist Chinese to “be good patriots” in opposition to the Church. The Father of Lies rejoices. Resign Francis!


36 posted on 05/29/2019 8:25:08 PM PDT by pke
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To: ConservativeMind
The Pope is led by God and was chosen by a majority of godly Cardinals from AROUND THE WORLD to represent God’s Church.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a heretic.

Nine hundred and eighty-one days ago, four cardinals, from AROUND THE WORLD, presented, in private, a respectful dubia to Pope Francis. After several months without a response, the cardinals made their dubia public. To this day, Bergoglio has not answered the dubia.

Do you consider those four cardinals to be "ungodly" and "heretics".

Do you believe that any cardinal who did not vote for Bergoglio in the conclave to be "ungodly" and a "heretic"?

37 posted on 05/29/2019 8:39:22 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide; Salvation

It is the Pope who is the true leader of the Catholic Church. Only he went through the amount of review and approval—not these four cardinals of whom you speak.

God did not allow them to be Pope.

You need to stop posting anti-Catholic threads. People have been banned from doing what you are doing.


38 posted on 05/29/2019 9:21:10 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind
It is the Pope who is the true leader of the Catholic Church.

No, you are wrong. Jesus Christ is the True Leader of the Catholic Church; Bergoglio is only His vicar.

When Bergoglio decides to follow Jesue Christ, and not his little "god of surprises", I'll let you know.

39 posted on 05/29/2019 9:48:47 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide; Salvation

So you are saying Jesus Christ allows Satan to reign over His Church on Earth?


40 posted on 05/29/2019 9:56:23 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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