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[Catholic Caucus] Francis Approves Missal Containing Serious Mistakes
Gloria TV ^ | May 24, 2019 | Gloria TV

Posted on 05/25/2019 11:24:22 AM PDT by ebb tide

Francis Approves Missal Containing Serious Mistakes

Pope Francis allowed the publication of a new “translation” of the Italian Missal, Perugia Cardinal Gualtiero Bassetti informed the general assembly of the Italian Bishops on May 20.

Among its major falsifications is a phantasy-translation of the Our Father.

Instead of “do not lead us into temptation” the Italian Francis Church will say “don’t abandon us to temptation.”

Another falsehood is introduced into the Gloria. “On earth peace to people of good will” will be replaced in the Francis-Church by “on earth peace to the people, loved by God.”

The correction of the words of consecration (“for many”) which Benedict XVI hesitantly attempted to introduce in 2006 has been dropped.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Prayer; Worship
KEYWORDS: francisbishops; francischurch; italy
The correction of the words of consecration (“for many”) which Benedict XVI hesitantly attempted to introduce in 2006 has been dropped.
1 posted on 05/25/2019 11:24:22 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Al Hitan; Biggirl; Coleus; DuncanWaring; ebb tide; Fedora; Hieronymus; irishjuggler; G Larry; ...

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2 posted on 05/25/2019 11:24:58 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

Sad.


3 posted on 05/25/2019 1:08:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ebb tide; All
"Instead of “do not lead us into temptation” the Italian Francis Church will say “don’t abandon us to temptation.”"

On behalf of Pope Francis, since the New Testament was originally written in Koine Greek, not Italian or English, we need to hear what respected translators are saying about the changes.

4 posted on 05/25/2019 2:04:40 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10
we need to hear what respected translators are saying about the changes.

Do you really think the translators had it wrong for the past 2000 years?

5 posted on 05/25/2019 3:03:47 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

Hasn’t been 2000 years. This is not a change for hundreds of millions of Catholics who did not change original words...which is what the Pope is now recommending worldwide. The “changes” make more sense...


6 posted on 05/25/2019 3:25:40 PM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: ebb tide; All
Thanks for replying.

"Do you really think the translators had it wrong for the past 2000 years?"

There are documented Holy Bible translation problems based on well-known language differences. I'm not saying that this particular problem applies to "Lord's Prayer," but here’s analysis of a verb problem with English John 20:17 for example.

What Does Jesus Mean When He Tells Mary Magdalene Not to Cling to Him Because He Has Not ...?

7 posted on 05/25/2019 3:25:51 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: ebb tide

In some cases, yes.

They did not follow the Bible that says “Do not put us to the final test. But deliver us from the evil one.”


8 posted on 05/25/2019 3:51:07 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
They did not follow the Bible that says “Do not put us to the final test. But deliver us from the evil one.”

Which bible has that translation? It's obviously not the Douay-Rheims bible.

9 posted on 05/25/2019 6:29:43 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

Check the book of Luke. Hope I’m not mistaken.


10 posted on 05/25/2019 6:34:40 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ebb tide

http://soc-wus.org/2012News/611201213513.htm


11 posted on 05/25/2019 6:47:41 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
[9] Thus therefore shall you pray: Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. [10] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

[11] Give us this day our supersubstantial bread. [12] And forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors. [13] And lead us not into temptation. But deliver us from evil. Amen. Mark, Chapter 4, Douay-Rheims bible.

12 posted on 05/25/2019 6:59:11 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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You’re one of the poor misguided. Stop listening to this rogue church leader! He is spewing heresy and lies! Seek Truth! Seek Jesus. He is knocking at your door this minute!


13 posted on 05/25/2019 7:11:46 PM PDT by CAGOPgramma (In God we still trust!!)
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To: ebb tide

The time is fast approaching for the appearance of the religious leader who will be the False Prophet to the Antichrist.


14 posted on 05/25/2019 7:13:40 PM PDT by CAGOPgramma (In God we still trust!!)
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To: Amendment10; Salvation
Pope Francis: The Our Father "Induces Temptation"

Thomas A. Kempis would tell him (Pope Francis], "Consider thy motives." Francis is apparently upset over the idea of being led away from temptation, since he is led by the temptation of globalism and change. The Bible threatens him to give up his change, so instead of humbly admitting that scripture is correct, he judges that it is incorrect, in the same way he has denied the miracle of the loaves and has judged that evangelization is "solemn nonsense." http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/pope-gives-new-interview

15 posted on 05/25/2019 8:44:12 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: Amendment10; Salvation
“Temptation”

To understand the meaning of this Petition, it is necessary to say what temptation signifies here, and also what it is to be led into temptation.

To tempt is to sound a person in order that by eliciting from him what we desire, we may extract the truth. This mode of tempting does not apply to God; for what is there that God does not know? All things are naked and open to his eyes.

Another kind of tempting implies more than this, inasmuch as it may have either a good or a bad purpose. Temptation has a good purpose, when someone’s worth is tried, in order that when it has been tested and proved he may be rewarded and honoured, his example proposed to others for imitation, and all may be incited thereby to the praises of God. This is the only kind of tempting that can be found in God. Of it there is an example in Deuteronomy: The Lord your God tries you, that it may appear whether you love him or not.

In this manner God is also said to tempt His own, when He visits them with want, disease and other sorts of calamities. This He does to try their patience, and to make them an example of Christian virtue. Thus we read that Abraham was tempted to immolate his son, by which fact he became a singular example of obedience and patience to all succeeding times. Thus also is it written of Tobias: Because thou wast acceptable to God, it was necessary that temptation should prove thee.

Men are tempted for a bad purpose, when they are impelled to sin or destruction. To do this is the work of the devil, for he tempts men with a view to deceive and precipitate them into ruin, and he is therefore called in Scripture, the tempter. At one time, stimulating us from within, he employs the agency of the affections and passions of the soul. At another time, assailing us from without, he makes use of external things, as of prosperity, to puff us up with pride, or of adversity, to break our spirits. Sometimes he has for his emissaries and assistants abandoned men, particularly heretics, who, sitting in the chair of pestilence, scatter the deadly seeds of bad doctrines, thus unsettling and precipitating headlong those persons who draw no line of distinction between vice and virtue and are of themselves prone to evil.

“Lead us not into Temptation”

We are said to be led into temptation when we yield to temptations. Now this happens in two ways. First, we are led into temptation when, yielding to suggestion, we rush into that evil to which someone tempts us. No one is thus led into temptation by God; for to no one is God the author of sin, nay, He hates all who work iniquity; and accordingly we also read in St. James: Let no man, when he is tempted, say that he is tempted of God; for God is not a tempter of evils.

Secondly, we are said to be led into temptation by him who, although he himself does not tempt us nor cooperate in tempting us, yet is said to tempt because he does not prevent us from being tempted or from being overcome by temptations when he is able to prevent these things. In this manner God, indeed, suffers the good and the pious to be tempted, but does not leave them unsupported by His grace. Sometimes, however, we fall, being left to ourselves by the just and secret judgment of God, in punishment of our sins.

God is also said to lead us into temptation when we abuse, to our destruction, His blessings, which He has given us as a means of salvation; when, like the prodigal son, we squander our Father’s substance, living riotously and yielding to our evil desires. In such a case we can say what the Apostle has said of the law: The commandment that was ordained to life, the same was found to be unto death to me.

Of this an opportune example is Jerusalem, as we learn from Ezechiel. God had so enriched that city with every sort of embellishment, that He said of it by the mouth of the Prophet: Thou wast perfect through my beauty, which I had put upon thee. Yet Jerusalem, favoured with such an abundance of divine gifts, was so far from showing gratitude to God, from whom she had received and was still receiving so many favours, was so far from making use of those heavenly gifts for the attainment of her own happiness, the end for which she had received them, that having cast away the hope and idea of deriving spiritual profit from them, she, most ungrateful to God her Father, was content to enjoy her present abundance with a luxury and riotousness which Ezechiel describes at considerable length in the same chapter. Wherefore those whom God permits to convert into instruments of vice the abundant opportunities of virtuous deeds which He has afforded them, are equally ungrateful to Him.

But we ought carefully to notice a certain usage of Sacred Scripture, which sometimes denotes the permission of God in words which, if taken literally, would imply a positive act on the part of God. Thus in Exodus we read: I will harden the heart of Pharoah; and in Isaias: Blind the heart of this people; and the Apostle to the Romans writes: God delivered them up to shameful affections, and to a reprobate sense. In these and other similar passages we are to understand, not at all any positive act on the part of God, but His permission only.

Objects of the Sixth Petition

What We Do Not Pray For

These observations having been premised, it will not be difficult to understand the object for which we pray in this Petition.

We do not ask to be totally exempt from temptation, for human life is one continued temptation. This, however, is useful and advantageous to man. Temptation teaches us to know ourselves, that is, our own weakness, and to humble ourselves under the powerful hand of God; and by fighting manfully, we expect to receive a never­fading crown of glory. For he that striveth for the mastery is not crowned, except he strive lawfully. Blessed is the man, says St. James, that endureth temptation; for when he hath been proved, he shall receive the crown of life, which God hath promised to them that love him. If we are sometimes hard pressed by the temptation of the enemy, it will also cheer us to reflect, that we have a high priest to help us, who can have compassion on our infirmities, having been tempted himself in all things.

What We Pray For In This Petition

What, then, do we pray for in this Petition? We pray that the divine assistance may not forsake us, lest having been deceived, or worsted, we should yield to temptation; and that the grace of God may be at hand to succour us when our strength fails, to refresh and invigorate us in our trials.

We should, therefore, implore the divine assistance, in general, against all temptations, and especially when assailed by any particular temptation. This we find to have been the conduct of David, under almost every species of temptation. Against lying, he prays in these words: Take not thou the word of truth utterly out of my mouth; against covetousness: Incline my heart unto thy testimonies, and not to covetousness; and against the vanities of this life and the allurements of concupiscence, he prays thus: Turn away my eyes, that they may not behold vanity.

We pray, therefore, that we yield not to evil desires, and be not wearied in enduring temptation; that we deviate not from the way of the Lord; that in adversity, as in prosperity, we preserve equanimity and fortitude; and that God may never deprive us of His protection. Finally, we pray that God may crush Satan beneath our feet.

(Catechism of the Council of Trent, “The Lord’s Prayer: The Sixth Petition”; online here; hardcopy here)

16 posted on 05/25/2019 9:03:08 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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"Stop listening to this rogue church leader!"

Pope Francis is very misguided imo. But even a broken clock is right twice a day.

On the other hand, I wouldn’t be surprised if his correction to “Our Father” has a secular social networking slant to it.

17 posted on 05/25/2019 9:13:17 PM PDT by Amendment10
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