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Disney's 'Tolkien' Movie Cuts Out the Christian Faith That Inspired His Life and Work
PJ Media ^ | May 9, 2019 | Tyler O'Neil

Posted on 05/09/2019 1:45:37 PM PDT by OddLane

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To: OddLane

What a shame. Sounds like Disney ruined the story.

Tolkien led a fascinating life. He was a great mind.


21 posted on 05/09/2019 3:19:32 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Keep fighting, Nick!)
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To: Tired of Taxes
"Sounds like Disney ruined the story."

That is their forte.

22 posted on 05/09/2019 3:42:01 PM PDT by OddLane
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To: RedMonqey
'The Hobbit' To Feature 53-Minute-Long Scene Of Bilbo Baggins Trying To Figure Out What To Pack
23 posted on 05/09/2019 3:44:35 PM PDT by OddLane
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To: OddLane

Figures.


24 posted on 05/09/2019 3:45:32 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: OddLane

BTW—Your link is from the Onion.

That said, I know people like that. I’ve traveled with people like that.


25 posted on 05/09/2019 3:55:38 PM PDT by Hieronymus ("I shall drink--to the Pope, if you please,-still, to Conscience first, and to the Pope afterwards.")
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To: sparklite2; RedMonqey
Myth, Allegory, and Gospel: An Interpretation of JRR Tolkien, CS Lewis, GK Chesterton, Chas Williams
26 posted on 05/09/2019 4:02:18 PM PDT by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: OddLane

I wont be seeing the film.....two years ago when the film A wrinkle in time came out Disney removed all reference to Christianity and Christian philosophy. at this point I decided when ever a movie producer does that to books inspired by Christianity I would just not view there creation. I think Disney will find that lots of Christians will not see this film.


27 posted on 05/09/2019 4:06:26 PM PDT by PCPOET7
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To: Hieronymus
Honestly, i thought the first 2 Hobbit films were pretty good, although the final part of the trilogy was a disaster.

I still can't fathom why they didn't focus an entire film on the Necromancer when there was so much material unexplored in the actual book. Instead inventing tons of pointless sub-plots that had nothing to do with the original story.

28 posted on 05/09/2019 4:07:46 PM PDT by OddLane
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To: PCPOET7
Yes, there's a link to a PJ Media review of that film in the article I posted.

I didn't see the film itself, but it sounded like a typical PC disaster.

29 posted on 05/09/2019 4:08:26 PM PDT by OddLane
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To: OddLane

That was one of the many scenes that wasn’t in the book, was deleted or made up of whole cloth.

The crap on the Brown Wizard(WTF!)

The riddle scene was laboured and unnatural
The mangling of when Bilbo meet Smaug.

The omission of Smaug’s diamond armour with the missing patch.

The fight scenes between the dwarves and Smaug using the melted gold(WTF!)

The shooting of Smaug(The bowman didn’t using a ballista)

The whole Laketown was a fiasco.

Making up of the female elf and the ‘romance’ scene was sickening.

The Hobbit was never a ‘battle” story but a story about a simple hobbit that wanted nothing more than a little adventure in his comfortable hobbit life, not the battle that Tolkien wrote for the Ring trilogy

There is many more but my blood boils at the travesty of what Peter Jackson and Company did to Tolkien’s work


30 posted on 05/09/2019 4:33:50 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Welcome to Thunderdome... America 2019)
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To: Pelham

Yeah, Mr Montgomery’s interpretation of Tolkien’s work can be put into Christian category but The Ring trilogy and The Hobbit are not. Both are in the fiction section under fantasy.

Tolkien’s other influences were Nordic and Fin folklore but nobody would label neither of the aforementioned works as ‘history”


31 posted on 05/09/2019 4:44:11 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Welcome to Thunderdome... America 2019)
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To: RedMonqey
"The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision. That is why I have not put in, or have cut out, practically all references to anything like 'religion', to cults or practices, in the imaginary world. For the religious element is absorbed into the story and the symbolism. However that is very clumsily put, and sounds more self-important than I feel. For as a matter of fact, I have consciously planned very little; and should chiefly be grateful for having been brought up (since I was eight) in a Faith that has nourished me and taught me all the little that I know;"

Letters of JRR Tolkien, #142

32 posted on 05/09/2019 5:08:45 PM PDT by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: mason-dixon

Producing anotherstink bomb because they want to marginalize Christianity.


33 posted on 05/09/2019 5:17:05 PM PDT by carcraft (Pray for our Country)
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To: Pelham
That is why I have not put in, or have cut out, practically all references to anything like 'religion', to cults or practices, in the imaginary world.

The Hobbit and the Ring trilogy could not have been written by any other without the characteristics of Tolkien. The books 'breath" morality yet it doesn't "preach" it.

In comparison, the pretender JJR Martin, could never have written any of Tolkien's masterpieces because his works are the antithesis of Tolkien's morality.

Corruption seethes though Martin's work because Martin is a creature of Hollywood and it's morality.
34 posted on 05/09/2019 5:45:29 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Welcome to Thunderdome... America 2019)
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To: RedMonqey

You have not read Tolkein’s explanation of the Ring trilogy. He explicitly designed the story to fulfill fundamental Christian motifs.


35 posted on 05/09/2019 5:52:24 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (The denial of the authority of God is the central plank of the Progressive movement.)
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To: RedMonqey

I believe that GOD sometimes used odd instrument to spread his word Tolkien was far from the oddest though for many traditionalist his story is hard for them to perceive the links to his wotd.

I think the most profound example of GOD’ use of so done to write profoundly a story which reflects much of his word is Stephen Kings’s novel ‘The Stand’.?

Very much a story of faith and redemtion.

“God doesn’t bribe, child. He just makes a sign and lets people take it as they will.”

“There’s always a choice. That’s God’s way, always will be. Your will is still free. Do as you will. There’s no set of leg-irons on you. But... this is what God wants of you.”

“I have sinned in pride. So have you all. But that’s past now. It’s time now to give over your will to the will of God. It’s time, to make your STAND.”


36 posted on 05/09/2019 6:15:16 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortEaealthunes and our sacred hcavagingonor.")
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To: RedMonqey

I believe that GOD sometimes used odd instrument to spread his word Tolkien was far from the oddest though for many traditionalist his story is hard for them to perceive the links to his wotd.

I think the most profound example of GOD’ use of someone to write profoundly a story which reflects much of his word is Stephen Kings’s novel ‘The Stand’.?

Very much a story of faith and redemtion.

“God doesn’t bribe, child. He just makes a sign and lets people take it as they will.”

“There’s always a choice. That’s God’s way, always will be. Your will is still free. Do as you will. There’s no set of leg-irons on you. But... this is what God wants of you.”

“I have sinned in pride. So have you all. But that’s past now. It’s time now to give over your will to the will of God. It’s time, to make your STAND.”I

And much more that is very odd writing for a leftist atheist.


37 posted on 05/09/2019 6:31:23 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: OddLane
The book mentioned in the article, about JRR Tolkien and C.S. Lewis’s formative experience in WWI, is worth reading.

I agree it is a good book. I read it last summer.

A Hobbit, a Wardrobe, and a Great War: How J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis Rediscovered Faith, Friendship, and Heroism in the Cataclysm of 1914-18 by Joseph Loconte

38 posted on 05/09/2019 7:09:59 PM PDT by jeannineinsd
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To: RedMonqey

“The books ‘breath” morality yet it doesn’t “preach” it.”

Yep. Tolkien was subtle in the way that his Christian faith was part of his stories. It was so much a part of him he didn’t have to consciously try to include it. And he would never have been explicit, he didn’t like that.


39 posted on 05/09/2019 7:26:13 PM PDT by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: OddLane

If it doesn’t include the Inklings it is worthless.


40 posted on 05/09/2019 7:30:02 PM PDT by Chipper (You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
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