Are Mormons Christians? (Additional Footage) - Tim Conway

Grace Community Church ^ | 6/8/2013 | Tim Conway

[OddLane]

An exploration of the doctrine of the Church of Latter day Saints by Tim Conway.

[ealgeone]

My southern hospitality doesn’t extend to bigots of any kind.

So anyone who disagrees with you is a bigot? Got it.

Guess you have to put the writers of the NT in the category of bigot.

[Not gonna take it anymore]

Well since Catholics were the first Christians, then perhaps you are not a Christian.

[ravenwolf]

I believe mormonism is nothing more than an invention, however
it is a religion no different than any other religious institution,
it’s all about money and power.

[trebb]

Amen!

[af_vet_1981]

Where he originated from is irrelevant...what he espoused is the issue.

It is relevant. His family was Protestant. He was confused by the contradictions he saw in the Presbyterian, Baptist, and Methodist faith communities. He read the scriptures for himself and, in error, formed yet another reconstructionist faith community, who like Oneness Pentecostals, JWs, and others deny the Holy Trinity, that Jesus is God the Son.

There is one holy catholic apostolic Church, from the days of the Messiah's Apostles unto this day. Trying to reconstruct it in the 19th Century was erroneous.

[AppyPappy]

Maybe. The Bible says anyone who calls on the Name of the Lord shall be Saved.
The question is whether the LDS church is Christian.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“So you agree that Christ wanted his disciples to be ‘One with God’ just as he (Christ) was one with God?”

No. This passage doesn’t say that.

One with each other - unity in the body.

When I chose the word essence, I did not refer to any creed.

I used it exactly as it appears in the dictionary.

...

Do you worship “
Heavenly Mother”?
How many heavenly mothers are there?
Did Christ always exist, with no beginning or end, eternally?
Did the Mormon Father used to be a man?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Do you actually believe that everything that there is to know about God is contained in the Bible?

Everything necessary for salvation - eternal life in the presence of God, and everything necessary for Christian maturity.

[DungeonMaster]

Yes. Like Catholics and protestants, they accept Jesus as the Son of God. They are in like flynn. Nothing else matters. No one else has eternal life. ZERO.

Matt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

[ealgeone]

It is relevant. His family was Protestant. He was confused by the contradictions he saw in the Presbyterian, Baptist, and Methodist faith communities. He read the scriptures for himself and, in error, formed yet another reconstructionist faith community, who like Oneness Pentecostals, JWs, and others deny the Holy Trinity, that Jesus is God the Son.

Smith based a great deal of his theology on "visions" he had which in part lead to him writing the Doctrines and Covenants...a false book of non-Scriptural teachings.

Roman Catholicism has committed a similar error in allow apparitions claiming to be Mary to dictate beliefs.

A brief bio on Smith.

Smith suffered a crippling bone infection when he was seven and, after receiving surgery, used crutches for three years.[18] The family moved to the western New York village of Palmyra in 1816–17, after an ill-fated business venture and three years of crop failures, and they eventually took a mortgage on a 100-acre (40 ha) farm in the nearby town of Manchester. The region was a hotbed of religious enthusiasm during the Second Great Awakening.[19][20][21][22][23] Between 1817 and 1825, there were several camp meetings and revivals in the Palmyra area.[24][25] His parents disagreed about religion, but the family was caught up in this excitement.[26] Smith said that he became interested in religion by age 12. As a teenager, he may have been sympathetic to Methodism.[27] With other family members, Smith also engaged in religious folk magic, which was a relatively common practice in that time and place.[28] Both his parents and his maternal grandfather reportedly had visions or dreams that they believed communicated messages from God.[29] Smith said that, although he had become concerned about the welfare of his soul, he was confused by the claims of competing religious denominations.[30]

Years later, Smith stated he had received a vision that resolved his religious confusion.[31] He claimed that while praying in a wooded area near his home in 1820, God and Jesus Christ, in a vision, appeared to him and told him his sins were forgiven and that all contemporary churches had "turned aside from the gospel."[32] Smith said he recounted the experience to a preacher, who dismissed the story with contempt. The event would later grow in importance to Smith's followers, who now regard it as the first event in the gradual restoration of Christ's church to earth. Until the 1840s, however, the experience was largely unknown, even to most Mormons.[33] Smith may have originally understood the event simply as a personal conversion.[34] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith#Religious_denominations

There is one holy catholic apostolic Church, from the days of the Messiah's Apostles unto this day. Trying to reconstruct it in the 19th Century was erroneous.

And it is not Roman Catholicism as has been attested in so many discussions on this forum

[teppe]

You are wrong in your ability to read scripture. The passage does say that Christ wants his disciples to be ‘one’ just as God and Christ are one. THIS PASSAGE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT IS THE MOST DEFINITIVE OF THE ‘ONENESS’ THAT EXISTS BETWEEN GOD AND CHRIST!

John 17: 21-22
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

NOW YOU HAVE BIBLICAL PROOF THAT THE NICENE CREED IS A FABLE!

No, I do not worship a Heavenly Mother; neither do I worship Jesus Christ, but only God the Father as Jesus taught.

Just as Christ taught in John 17:24, Christ existed before the world was created, or before the beginning. Christ was God’s first creation. A spiritual son who would in-time take the sins of the world upon his shoulders.

We are all spiritual offspring of God: Acts 17:29-31 King James Version (KJV)

29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

[DungeonMaster]

But also yes.... we believe in a different Christ. We believe in the biblical Jesus Christ who is the Son of Almighty God the Father. We do not believe that Jesus Christ is an equal member of a three-way multiple personality diety.

And you believe that there is a goddess who is the wife of the Father.

[Bulwyf]

Well, that’s very false information, nor biblical.

I would encourage you to do some digging and some reading about the teachings of the RC church and you will see they don’t line up with God’s word.

I really hope you do, but many won’t. I simply care enough to ask.

[teppe]

I believe in the possiblity. God has not revealed the existence of a Heavenly Mother.

While there is often conjecture that there is a heavenly mother due to our belief in eternal mairrage, however, that is not official LDS doctrine , only conjecture and opinion.

You have plenty of ‘conjecture’ in your beliefs as well. Although you have enshrined your conjecture to be above the bible in the various creeds which cannot be found in scripture.

Also many Christians believe in a conjecture called the ‘rapture’ that is non-biblical, but dates back some 200 years to a dream some woman had who never even claimed to be a prophet of God.

[sparklite2]

PM on the way.

[DungeonMaster]

I believe in the possiblity. God has not revealed the existence of a Heavenly Mother. While there is often conjecture that there is a heavenly mother due to our belief in eternal mairrage, however, that is not official LDS doctrine , only conjecture and opinion. You have plenty of ‘conjecture’ in your beliefs as well. Although you have enshrined your conjecture to be above the bible in the various creeds which cannot be found in scripture. Also many Christians believe in a conjecture called the ‘rapture’ that is non-biblical, but dates back some 200 years to a dream some woman had who never even claimed to be a prophet of God.

If the bible says there are no other gods then how can there be other gods?

[sparklite2]

???

[ravenwolf]

I think as you do on that part they are alright people.

The question are they christian? but the same question
should be ask about any other denomanation or religion.

I will just use one question as an example here, how many people
of any religion actually believe what their bible teaches them?

Our Bible and also the Koran teaches us that homosexuality is a Terible
Sin and they should be put to death but it seems that about forty percent of both
Christian’s nor moslem do not agree.

The New testament does not go that far but says it is an abomination
mination and I do not avocate death but God already has.

So the question is how many believers are in any religion including
Moslem? I think most christian are in name only and the same with any other religion

Nothing more than the elks or moose club, this is why Jesus said many shall be called
but few will be chosen.

[teppe]

You said ““Do you actually believe that everything that there is to know about God is contained in the Bible?

Everything necessary for salvation - eternal life in the presence of God, and everything necessary for Christian maturity.”

Where does it say that in the Bible? God has never said that he would not give man additional insight.

Again, you are schooled in a fable.

2 Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[MHGinTN]

Bzzzt! Wrong. JEWS were the first Christians. Catholiciism came later, when incorporating pagan notions into The Gospel, to try and broaden the fan base beyond those whom God calls.