Farout?

You make the call

141 posted on 04/28/2019 8:38:03 PM PDT by Elsie

Show me where the ‘Trinity’ is defined in the New Testament. (it isn’t)

Show us where GENTILE means anyone not a Mormon.

142 posted on 04/28/2019 8:39:24 PM PDT by Elsie

I like your approach.

Using stuff out-of-context appeals to you?

Judge NOT???

Sigh...

Jesus has commanded us to judge!

"Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?... And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?... Do you not know that we shall judge angels?... How much more, things that pertain to this life?.. If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge ? (1 Corinthians 6:1-5).

Many commands of God require the exercise of righteous judgment.

"But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us" (2 Thessalonians 3:6).

"And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother" (2 Thessalonians 3:14,15).

"Teach and exhort these things. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself" (2 Timothy 6:2b-5).

"Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:17,18).

All these commands require the careful exercise of righteousness judgment. Do not be deceived by smooth words and flattering speech. Beware of wolves who come to you with a sheep's skin.

We must be careful not to make unqualified judgments. But we must judge appropriately when commanded to do so.

"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." (John 7:24).

143 posted on 04/28/2019 8:41:40 PM PDT by Elsie

Are you Satan’s spiritual brother? If God created you, and God created Satan .... then I guess you are.

I have known many Mormons. Many of them are wonderful people. But you have been deceived. Satan is a created being, like all angels, but we humans have been created in the image of God. Not the same thing at all. Jesus is NOT his brother, he is God incarnate, just as the Bible teaches:
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. ( John 1: 1-5)
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. John 1:14-18.

The Bible is clear. But I suppose you will say this is an improperly translated, or just plain false, Scripture.
The Bible tells us that it we seek the LORD, we will find Him. Ask the LORD what is truth, whether it is according to your current beliefs, or not. He will tell you, IF you are sincere.

144 posted on 04/28/2019 8:43:06 PM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))

Haven’t you learned by now? .... I don’t believe in speculation, hearsay or opinions like the Nicean Creed!

I only believe in scripture.

Show me scripture in either the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants or Pearl of Great Price.

I don’t know what the founder of your religion is .... but if you told me .... within an hour I could find some crazy things that it was reported that he said as well.

145 posted on 04/28/2019 8:45:09 PM PDT by teppe

How do you torment the ‘Doctrine of the Trinity’ out of these words from the mouth of Jesus Christ?

I'd say that one man's torment is another's doctrine.

An 1830 statement titled "Testimony of Three Witnesses"—one statement signed by three men rather than three separate statements—was published at the end of the first edition of the Book of Mormon:

Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, his brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seeen [sic] the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shewn unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvellous [sic] in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens. And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.

146 posted on 04/28/2019 8:46:31 PM PDT by Elsie

To: Jamestown1630

Christians are ‘a people’ (the body of Christ He joins together by His spirit within them) who follow Jesus Christ. ‘Fine character’, as you mentioned, can quite easily be found even among atheists, cult groups and false religions who mask as Christianity... so it is not a determining factor..... The question you might ask is 'who' are you looking for rather than what dogma or sect.

Jeremiah 29:13 tells us....'You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.

I was at the place of not knowing....I finally decided to read the Bible, since it's His words to us, and I did so for several weeks as often as I could. I began with the four gospels and found there was a whole lot I understood that I had never before as I asked the Lord to teach me about who He was.......he did not fail to do just that.

And then...When the "student is ready" God provides the teacher....

It's all about Him.....The old testament rings out "He's coming".....the Gospels ring out "He's here"....And Revelations "He's coming again". HE truly is the beginning and the end.

147 posted on 04/28/2019 8:48:45 PM PDT by caww

148 posted on 04/28/2019 8:50:13 PM PDT by Elsie

To: Bernard Marx

149 posted on 04/28/2019 8:51:45 PM PDT by Elsie

To: Flaming Conservative

Question.

Was Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God, or was he God the Father?

As I read the Bible, Christ says that he was the only begotten Son of God.

Do you agree ... or was Christ deceiving us when he said that?

150 posted on 04/28/2019 8:53:11 PM PDT by teppe

Farout stuff?

THE FIRST BOOK OF NEPHI

HIS REIGN AND MINISTRY

CHAPTER 16

The wicked take the truth to be hard—Lehi’s sons marry the daughters of Ishmael—The Liahona guides their course in the wilderness—Messages from the Lord are written on the Liahona from time to time—Ishmael dies; his family murmur because of afflictions. Between 600 and 592 B.C.

1 And now it came to pass that after I, Nephi, had made an end of speaking to my brethren, behold they said unto me: Thou hast declared unto us hard things, more than we are able to bear.

2 And it came to pass that I said unto them that I knew that I had spoken ^ahard things against the wicked, according to the truth; and the righteous have I justified, and testified that they should be lifted up at the last day; wherefore, the ^bguilty taketh the ^ctruth to be hard, for it ^dcutteth them to the very center.

3 And now my brethren, if ye were righteous and were willing to hearken to the truth, and give heed unto it, that ye might ^awalk uprightly before God, then ye would not murmur because of the truth, and say: Thou speakest hard things against us.

4 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did exhort my brethren, with all diligence, to keep the commandments of the Lord.

5 And it came to pass that they did ^ahumble themselves before the Lord; insomuch that I had joy and great hopes of them, that they would walk in the paths of righteousness.

6 Now, all these things were said and done as my father dwelt in a tent in the ^avalley which he called Lemuel.

7 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, took one of the ^adaughters of Ishmael to ^bwife; and also, my brethren took of the ^cdaughters of Ishmael to wife; and also ^dZoram took the eldest daughter of Ishmael to wife.

8 And thus my father had fulfilled all the ^acommandments of the Lord which had been given unto him. And also, I, Nephi, had been blessed of the Lord exceedingly.

9 And it came to passthat the voice of the Lord spake unto my father by night, and commanded him that on the morrow he should take his ^ajourney into the wilderness.

10 And it came to passthat as my father arose in the morning, and went forth to the tent door, to his great astonishment he beheld upon the ground a round ^aball of curious workmanship; and it was of fine brass. And within the ball were two spindles; and the one ^bpointed the way whither we should go into the wilderness.

11 And it came to passthat we did gather together whatsoever things we should carry into the wilderness, and all the remainder of our provisions which the Lord had given unto us; and we did take ^aseed of every kind that we might carry into the wilderness.

12 And it came to pass that we did take our tents and depart into the wilderness, across the river Laman.

13 And it came to pass that we traveled for the space of four days, nearly a south-southeast direction, and we did pitch our tents again; and we did call the name of the place ^aShazer.

14 And it came to pass that we did take our bows and our arrows, and go forth into the wilderness to slay food for our families; and after we had slain food for our families we did return again to our families in the wilderness, to the place of Shazer. And we did go forth again in the wilderness, following the same direction, keeping in the most fertile parts of the wilderness, which were in the borders near the ^aRed Sea.

15 And it came to pass that we did travel for the space of many days, ^aslaying food by the way, with our bows and our arrows and our stones and our slings.

16 And we did follow the ^adirections of the ball, which led us in the more fertile parts of the wilderness.

17 And after we had traveled for the space of many days, we did pitch our tents for the space of a time, that we might again rest ourselves and obtain food for our families.

18 And it came to pass that as I, Nephi, went forth to slay food, behold, I did break my bow, which was made of fine ^asteel; and after I did break my bow, behold, my brethren were angry with me because of the loss of my bow, for we did obtain no food.

19 And it came to pass that we did return without food to our families, and being much fatigued, because of their journeying, they did suffer much for the want of food.

20 And it came to pass that Laman and Lemuel and the sons of Ishmael did begin to murmur exceedingly, because of their sufferings and afflictions in the wilderness; and also my father began to murmur against the Lord his God; yea, and they were all exceedingly sorrowful, even that they did ^amurmur against the Lord.

21 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, having been afflicted with my brethren because of the loss of my bow, and their bows having lost their ^asprings, it began to be exceedingly difficult, yea, insomuch that we could obtain no food.

22 And it came to pass I, Nephi, did speak much unto my brethren, because they had hardened their hearts again, even unto ^acomplaining against the Lord their God.

23 And it came to pass I, Nephi, did ^amake out of wood a bow, and out of a straight stick, an arrow; wherefore, I did arm myself with a bow and an arrow, with a sling and with stones. And I said unto my ^bfather: Whither shall I go to obtain food?

24 And it came to pass that he did ^ainquire of the Lord, for they had ^bhumbled themselves because of my words; for I did say many things unto them in the energy of my soul.

25 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord came unto my father; and he was truly ^achastened because of his murmuring against the Lord, insomuch that he was brought down into the depths of sorrow.

26 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord said unto him: Look upon the ball, and behold the things which are written.

27 And it came to pass that when my father beheld the things which were ^awritten upon the ball, he did fear and tremble exceedingly, and also my brethren and the sons of Ishmael and our wives.

28 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the pointers which were in the ball, that they did work according to the ^afaith and diligence and heed which we did give unto them.

29 And there was also written upon them a new writing, which was plain to be read, which did give us ^aunderstanding concerning the ways of the Lord; and it was written and changed from time to time, according to the faith and diligence which we gave unto it. And thus we see that by ^bsmall means the Lord can bring about great things.

30 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did go forth up into the top of the mountain, according to the ^adirections which were given upon the ball.

31 And it came to pass that I did slay wild ^abeasts, insomuch that I did obtain food for our families.

32 And it came to pass that I did return to our tents, bearing the beasts which I had slain; and now when they beheld that I had obtained ^afood, how great was their joy! And it came to pass that they did humble themselves before the Lord, and did give thanks unto him.

33 And it came to pass that we did again take our journey, traveling nearly the same course as in the beginning; and after we had traveled for the space of many days we did pitch our tents again, that we might tarry for the space of a time.

34 And it came to pass that ^aIshmael died, and was buried in the place which was called ^bNahom.

35 And it came to pass that the daughters of Ishmael did ^amourn exceedingly, because of the loss of their father, and because of their ^bafflictions in the wilderness; and they did ^cmurmur against my father, because he had brought them out of the land of Jerusalem, saying: Our father is dead; yea, and we have wandered much in the wilderness, and we have suffered much affliction, hunger, thirst, and fatigue; and after all these sufferings we must perish in the wilderness with hunger.

36 And thus they did murmur against my father, and also against me; and they were desirous to ^areturn again to Jerusalem.

37 And Laman said unto Lemuel and also unto the sons of Ishmael: Behold, let us ^aslay our father, and also our brother Nephi, who has taken it upon him to be our ^bruler and our teacher, who are his elder brethren.

38 Now, he says that the Lord has talked with him, and also that ^aangels have ministered unto him. But behold, we know that he lies unto us; and he tells us these things, and he worketh many things by his cunning arts, that he may deceive our eyes, thinking, perhaps, that he may lead us away into some strange wilderness; and after he has led us away, he has thought to make himself a king and a ruler over us, that he may do with us according to his will and pleasure. And after this manner did my brother Laman ^bstir up their hearts to ^canger.

39 And it came to pass that the Lord was with us, yea, even the voice of the Lord came and did speak many words unto them, and did ^achasten them exceedingly; and after they were chastened by the voice of the Lord they did turn away their anger, and did repent of their sins, insomuch that the Lord did bless us again with food, that we did not perish.

151 posted on 04/28/2019 8:53:58 PM PDT by Elsie

LORENZO SNOW’S COUPLET:

“AS MAN NOW IS, GOD ONCE WAS; AS GOD NOW IS, MAN MAY BE”:

teppe, this is not CHRIST ianity. Mormonism is a cult, a scam Joe Smith pulled on folks and there are still millions being taken in by the devil's lies promoted by Joe Smith, conman extraordinaire.

152 posted on 04/28/2019 8:58:48 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)

To: Elsie; teppe

“This is the description of them [the moon people] as given by Joseph the Seer, and he could ‘See’ whatever he asked the Father in the name of Jesus to see.”

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I wonder if Joseph Smith used the same stone for some of his interpretation of the Golden Plates into the Book of Mormon?
This isn’t just some silly stuff that some guy said - it was given to him as a vision of some sort by the Father, in the name of Jesus.

153 posted on 04/28/2019 8:59:19 PM PDT by 21twelve (!)

Haven’t you learned by now?

I have learned that you will skip over the stuff that you can't handle.

I've shown Book of MORMON scripture in this thread (#146)about the trinity. Do you only read replies with your screenname in the TO: box?

154 posted on 04/28/2019 8:59:40 PM PDT by Elsie

Yes, that pool with the heads, strong occult feeling.

It was weird all over there.

155 posted on 04/28/2019 8:59:48 PM PDT by Bulwyf

To: aMorePerfectUnion

So you agree that Christ wanted his disciples to be ‘One with God’ just as he (Christ) was one with God?

Interesting. Please drop the ‘essence’ since that is non-biblical and is a reference to the non-biblical Nicene Creed.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 King James Version (KJV)

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

IMHO Fables = the Nicene Creed as well as all of the Catholic Creeds.

156 posted on 04/28/2019 9:00:15 PM PDT by teppe

You really are of low IQ! It is your religion which claims God The Father has a body, so you fashioned your stupid question with that as axiomatic. THE BIBLE tells you God is Spirit, Jesus is in a body. BUT learn what Jesus told Philip in John 14. stop being stupid AND ignorant.

157 posted on 04/28/2019 9:01:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)

It is between them and God. God will make his decision. It it is not up to me or you to decide.

158 posted on 04/28/2019 9:01:58 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country! Now)

We’ll see how much longer I remain one. I went out troubleshooting at a plant today and now I’m costing them well into the six figures. I would of liked another opinion, but that’s tough on a Sunday.

159 posted on 04/28/2019 9:02:30 PM PDT by Bulwyf

I don’t believe in speculation, hearsay or opinions like the Nicean Creed!

Haven't you been challenged in the past to show just what is WRONG with the Nicean Creed?

If not; then NOW is your chance to show LURKERS how right MormonISM is!

Up to it?

The Nicene Creed was originally written in Greek. Its principal liturgical use is in the context of the Eucharist in the West and in the context of both baptism and the Eucharist in the East. A modern English version of the text is as follows:

1. I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.
2. I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages.
3. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made.
4. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
5. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.
6. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
7. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.
8. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.
9. I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
10. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.
Amen.

160 posted on 04/28/2019 9:04:06 PM PDT by Elsie

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