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Are Mormons Christians? (Additional Footage) - Tim Conway
Grace Community Church ^ | 6/8/2013 | Tim Conway

Posted on 04/28/2019 2:51:32 PM PDT by OddLane

An exploration of the doctrine of the Church of Latter day Saints by Tim Conway.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Other Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: mormonism
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To: teppe
If the Catholics were guided by God and not allowed to error …/I>


 

Mormonism

  • claims itself to uniquely be "the Church"
  • claims a unique and authoritative priesthood, thereby denying the royal priesthood of all believers
  • adds to the Holy Bible (with the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price)
  • accepts multiple  visions as being from God
  • undermines the power of Jesus' blood by its view of personal suffering for the expiation of sins
  • sings praise songs about Joseph Smith, Jr.
  • has strange doctrines regarding marriage (polygamy accepted in early days)
  • believes in God the mother (who has conceived multitudes of spirit children)
  • claims the head of their group speaks infallibly at times
  • redefines "saint" to mean a living, breathing Mormon, instead of a bible-defined child of God
  • accepts and spreads "another gospel" (Gal. 1:8,9)- good works, water baptism and church membership
  • professes itself as Christian; Jesus as God, Savior, Lord and Son of God; Jesus' atoning death and resurrection
  • doctrines are sending millions to Hell and they need to be openly refuted with Scripture

Catholicism

  • claims itself to uniquely be "the Church"
  • claims a unique and authoritative priesthood, thereby denying the royal priesthood of all believers
  • adds to the Holy Bible (with sacred tradition)
  • accepts multiple apparitional visions as being from God's Mother
  • undermines the power of Jesus' blood by its view of personal suffering for the expiation of sins
  • sings praise songs about Mary
  • has strange doctrines regarding marriage (celibacy still practiced among its clergy)
  • believes in the mother of God (who is the sinless Queen of Heaven)
  • claims the head of their group speaks infallibly at times
  • redefines "saint" to mean a physically dead Catholic who was afterwards "canonized," instead of a bible-defined child of God
  • accepts and spreads "another gospel" (Gal. 1:8,9) - good works, the sacraments, Mary and church membership
  • professes itself as Christian; Jesus as God, Savior, Lord and Son of God; Jesus' atoning death and resurrection
  • doctrines are sending hundreds of millions to Hell and they need to be openly refuted with Scripture
  • teaches and practices bowing before and kissing statues
  • WORSHIPS the consecrated communion wafer as God
  • claims Mary is their life, sweetness, hope and most gracious advocate (as revealed in the Rosary)
  • claims Mary was raised bodily into Heaven
  • claims they get to Jesus by first going to Mary
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/catholicmormon.htm

181 posted on 04/28/2019 9:30:42 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: teppe
Elsie, you quoting a talk, not scripture or doctrine.

I sure am!

Are you claiming what was said in it as being UNTRUE??

182 posted on 04/28/2019 9:32:36 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Not A Snowbird
He also didn’t say to be insulting, belittling, or obnoxious to people who are outside our faith.

I see...


 


 
Matthew 15:16
   "Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.

Matthew 23
 
  1.  Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
  2.  "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
  3.  So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
  4.  They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
  5.  "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries  wide and the tassels on their garments long;
  6.  they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
  7.  they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
  8.  "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
  9.  And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
 10.  Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
 11.  The greatest among you will be your servant.
 12.  For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
 13.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 
 14.  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 
 15.   "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. 
 16.  "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
 17.  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
 18.  You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
 19.  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
 20.  Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
 21.  And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
 22.  And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
 23.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
 24.  You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
 25.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
 26.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
 27.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!  You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
 28.  In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
 29.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
 30.  And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
 31.  So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
 32.  Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
 33.  "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
 34.  Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
 35.  And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
 36.  I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
 37.  "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
 38.  Look, your house is left to you desolate.
 39.  For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "
 


Mark 7:26-27
 26.  The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
 27.  "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."
 

And St. Paul chimes in...

Galatians 5:12
   As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
 


183 posted on 04/28/2019 9:34:05 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: teppe
I’m sure if you were me, and if Brigham Young had said this you would be saying that Mormons teach their people to commit suicide by burning themselves.

Is this reading my mind or a strawman you want to tear down?

184 posted on 04/28/2019 9:35:14 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: ivory49

No.


185 posted on 04/28/2019 9:35:54 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: teppe
I guess, you don’t believe in that particular teaching of the founder of your faith.

Oh?

BAsed on what evidence?

Surely it is not the multiple chances you've had to reply to the problems of Mormonism that I've set before you.

Are you guys really taught to NOT contend for your faith?

AKA 1 Peter 3:15 KJV
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with.

186 posted on 04/28/2019 9:39:09 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Elsie
 
 
8. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
9. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
 
Now THIS is really precise language!

187 posted on 04/28/2019 9:41:58 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Elsie
We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.


I guess that President, Quorum, Living Prophet® and Elders get covered in the AND SO FORTH category.

188 posted on 04/28/2019 9:44:13 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: OddLane

I will say this. I don’t see the rainbow flag flying in front of Mormon churches as I do in the mainstream churches.


189 posted on 04/28/2019 10:35:04 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Behind enemy lines)
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To: Bulwyf

I have a sincere question...

Why do their meeting halls not have a cross...the one by me has a squire on the roof.

...do they believe in the the resurrection?

Just wondering


190 posted on 04/28/2019 10:41:57 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (#KATE'SWALL Build it Now)
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To: Elsie
A guy I used to work with wrote a biography of Porter Rockwell Rockwell was a bad dude, borne out by my own collection of period books on the LDS. Hal Schindler's bio sugar-coated Rockwell's exploits IMO.

Anyone interested in LDS background should search out a copy of "No Man Knows My History" by Fawn M. Brodie.

191 posted on 04/28/2019 10:42:32 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: caww

Well said.


192 posted on 04/28/2019 10:46:14 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: teppe; Elsie
Haven’t you learned by now? .... I don’t believe in speculation, hearsay or opinions like the Nicean Creed!

I only believe in scripture.

Show me scripture in either the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants or Pearl of Great Price.

And yet you believe in mormonism.

That is rich!!!!!!

193 posted on 04/28/2019 10:57:29 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: teppe; Elsie
I don’t know what the founder of your religion is .... but if you told me .... within an hour I could find some crazy things that it was reported that he said as well.

It's Jesus.

So have at it.

What are some crazy things He is reported to have said?

194 posted on 04/28/2019 10:58:39 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Rastus

Sadly so. His son has a pretty good radio show


195 posted on 04/28/2019 11:00:37 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: teppe

If Jesus is the only begotten of the Father, then what’s this nonsense about Him being a half-brother of Lucifer and the Father having spirit wives by which he is repopulating the planet?

Honestly, the planet Kolob?

Bad sci fi.......


196 posted on 04/28/2019 11:01:07 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: dirtymac
It is between them and God. God will make his decision. It it is not up to me or you to decide.

Then there's no need for discernment, is there?

Judgment of false doctrine MUST happen.

Mormonism teaches a false version of Christianity. If you read the thread, you will see all the places where their error lies.

And anyone who believes in a Jesus who is a created being, not virgin born as Scripture required, who is the half-brother of Satan, is believing in a false Jesus, who CANNOT save him.

The judgment of whether they are Christians or not is NOT based on whether we like them or think their works are not good enough, but on the fact that they believe in the false Jesus their religion teaches them, a false Jesus who cannot save them.

197 posted on 04/28/2019 11:06:42 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: teppe; MHGinTN
Do you actually believe that everything that there is to know about God is contained in the Bible?

Nobody ever claimed that or implied that, so stop putting words in people's mouths.

Even when we are perfect and in heaven forever, we will never know all there is to know about God.

BUT that does NOT give anyone license to make things up and pass them off as Scripture or divinely inspired.

So, are you implying, then, that the additions that Smith made to the Bible ARE everything there is to know about God?

198 posted on 04/28/2019 11:09:50 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
This argument...brings me back to many years ago...here.

It's not going to end....

199 posted on 04/28/2019 11:13:54 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Whiskey Tango Foxtrot)
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To: OddLane
Are Mormons Christians?

Jesus said if we don't believe He is the I AM (Almighty God) we will die in our sins (John 8:24), so I'd have to say no they aren't.

200 posted on 04/28/2019 11:27:15 PM PDT by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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