Posted on 04/20/2019 10:15:21 AM PDT by Salvation
Oh. I thought posting a open thread meant just that, rather than a "Catholic only" caucus one. Anyway, it looks like it needed some bumping, while it surely needed reproof.
Hey, if it’s on things we agree on or at least don’t have serious disagreements on, I’m happy to bump it.
Lots of people should hear about Christ rising from the dead.
Yes, thanks for bumping me to this. Words fail me for such poor theology from the Msgr Pope. This is indeed a miracle.
Thank-you Salvation, Happy Easter, God Bless.
No souls from the Old Testament went to heaven, except for maybe a couple of exceptions to the rule...At death, the souls of everyone went to hell...The bad went to live with the Rich Man in torment while the good were gathered across the impassable gulf in Abraham's Bosom...Just the title of the place alone, Abraham's Bosom, tends to make on think they were in a place of protection and comfort...Perhaps this is the place your religion call purgatory...
This Abraham's Bosom housed God's people...One might call it God's church...No one could leave...There were huge gates with massive locks...Those gates of hell at Abraham's Bosom prevailed against that church of God...No one was going to open those gates but for the one who had the keys...The only one who had the keys to the gates was our Lord Jesus Christ...
When Jesus opened those gates of hell, the multitude of soul came up...They didn't go to heaven yet, they had to wait for Jesus...No one was going to beat him there...They floated or flew around the cities and country side for a bit...That must have been a real sight...
The important thing to realize is that when the place was emptied, Jesus never locked it back up...There was no need to...Even if someone went there, they could walk right back out...No one will ever go to Abrahm's Bosom again...
2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. (2 Cor. 5:1, Phil 1:21-24)
When Jesus said,
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.,
Jesus was telling us that the gates of Abraham's Bosom (your purgatory) would no longer prevail against the church...From the Resurrection forward, no one would be locked in Abraham's Bosom but all in the church would go straight to heaven...
... this is the place your religion call...
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Sorry to break into your little Easter Eve hate-fest. But you both share the same religion.
Different denominations but same religion.
I always pictured Him sticking His head into Satan’s office in hell and saying “I’m baaaack......”
Happy Easter to you, too!
Yawn. Rare gibberish even for you. Happy Easter!
I understand that a too-brief parenthetical explanation of a verse can be gibberish to one who is a member of a church which teaches that "the one duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors," but if you want to express your confusion then I will try to explain it too you.
While some may desire to see 1 Peter 4:6 as referring to preaching the gospel to dead souls so that they may be saved, an ambiguous text does not offer real support for that belief , and which is not what Scripture teaches. What 1 Peter 4:6 would be likely referring to is the gospel have been preached to living souls who are now dead, so that they may see live by the Spirit, being part of the resurrection of life.
Your own NAB note surmises on this verse:
The dead: these may be the sinners of the flood generation who are possibly referred to in ⇒ 1 Peter 3:19. But many scholars think that there is no connection between these two verses, and that the dead here are Christians who have died since hearing the preaching of the gospel.
LOL.
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