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To: pcottraux

This is one question I try to avoid, altouugh when ask I say Jesus was God in the flesh or the son of God.

However I assume the Pentecostals do believe that Mary was the mother of God.


15 posted on 02/16/2019 5:24:53 PM PST by ravenwolf (Left lane drivers and tailgaters have the smallest brains in the hi h wordsi to your mom.)
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To: ravenwolf

I know the Catholics like to elevate Mary, but she is not the mother of her Creator, the self-existent God. Jesus was both God and man. Mary was the mother of the man Jesus. God does not report up to His “mother”. Seems pretty blasphemous to assign an attribute like that to the Creator of everything.


20 posted on 02/16/2019 6:31:52 PM PST by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)
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To: ravenwolf; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
This is one question I try to avoid, altouugh when ask I say Jesus was God in the flesh or the son of God. However I assume the Pentecostals do believe that Mary was the mother of God.

All I have seen is contention against that except in certain qualified technical sense, which is not the Catholic usage. Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh, (1 Timothy 3:16; John 1:1,2,14) being God in nature though His real corporal, holy body that He took on (Hebrews 2:16; Phil. 2:7; 1 John 4:2,3) ) was provided for Him, (Heb. 10:5) and is not what God is by nature. (Luke 24:39)

As Jesus was God in His incarnation as He was before He was clothed with a sentient physical body, so in a certain sense it might be argued that Mary can be called the mother of God in a functional sense relative to the incarnation. But which normally denotes ontological oneness, and Mary contributed absolutely nothing to the deity of Christ.

And the Holy Spirit shows careful wording relative to the incarnation and the uncreated nature of God, clarifying that while Christ came out of Israel, yet this refers to the flesh: "Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen." (Romans 9:5)

However, the RC appellation of Mother of God is not even that of a qualified technical sense, but is a exalted formal title which is preferred above the less misleading Orthodox "God-bearer," since it is part of their hyper exaltation of Mary into an omnipotent "by grace") demigoddess, paralleling Christ.

For in the the Catholic quest to almost deify Mary, it is taught by Catholics*,


26 posted on 02/17/2019 5:25:53 AM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: ravenwolf
However I assume the Pentecostals do believe that Mary was the mother of God.

Pentecostals are typically Protestant Arminian Evangelicals, so not sure where you got that...although there are some charismatic groups within orthodox religions now.

48 posted on 02/17/2019 5:25:50 PM PST by pcottraux (depthsofpentecost.com)
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To: ravenwolf
However I assume the Pentecostals do believe that Mary was the mother of God.

No; it's the Catholics.

ie: Hail Mary; mother of GOD

I would most assuredly state that Pentecostals believe Mary to be the mother of JESUS.


The ONENESS ones don't even believe JESUS to be 'god'.

63 posted on 02/18/2019 5:31:36 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
OOPS!!
 
I  had this backward:
 
 It rejects the view that any person can "obtain" the status of God whether by works or by grace, maintaining that Jesus Christ did not "obtain" his status,
but rather that he is the one, eternal God himself manifested in the flesh according to the Oneness Pentecostal interpretation of 1 Timothy 3:16,
as is rendered in the King James Version.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneness_Pentecostalism#The_Oneness_doctrine_of_God
 

64 posted on 02/18/2019 5:36:46 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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