Posted on 02/04/2019 10:03:50 AM PST by OddLane
This teaching looks at Leviticus 8 and Exodus 28 to find out how the garments and the ordination of the high priest represent Christ. I turns out that there is some really neat typology of Christ in these chapters.
(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...
Oh horsecrap.
I figured it out.... with some kind of numerology, Jesus is equal to Tootsie... and then it’s totally clear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wrI4iHSusA&ab_channel=TootsieRoll
I can find Him prefigured in the tent tabernacle, too.
Of course. Because you're a chrstian. You seem him everywhere.
I never said chrstians can't find him there. My point was the opposite, that in order to see him "prefigured" in the Hebrew Bible, you must first be a chrstian. Did I not make that plain, or perhaps you misread my post?
Without a pre-existing belief in chrstianity, there is absolutely nothing "chrstian" about the Hebrew Bible whatsoever.
Well, of course! If you’re not looking for something, how will you ever find it?
Well of course not.
But I am, and He says all of the NT is about Himself. I gotta take that at face value.
If this guy actually cared to look into what the Hebrew Bible (the so-called “Old” Testament) said and meant, he’d come to a different conclusion.
Here’s a hint: https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/the-jewish-concept-of-messiah-and-the-jewish-response-to-christian-claims/
Without a pre-existing belief in chrstianity, there is absolutely nothing “chrstian” about the Hebrew Bible whatsoever.
This is true:
Sometimes, ZC, I agree with you - I’ve seen and heard many “Christians” give the most sophomoric reasoning to promote Jesus, and that doesn’t prove anything, and it doesn’t help. But I am a thoughtful Christian, and I do believe that Jesus of Nazereth was (and is) the Messiah.
In the New Testament there is a passage relating how Jesus walked with two men on the road to Emmaus, and they didn’t realize who he was. He explained to them how the Messiah was referenced all throughout the Old Testament.
I have a sincere question - When you say the “Hebrew Bible”, does that include the Prophet Isaiah? Because Isaiah gave a very strong likeness of Christ, who died for all our sins:
Isaiah Chapter 53
1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Love the tagline. GREAT book!
Right. There is Nothing in the Five Books of Moses about Jesus.
The problem of concluding that Isaiah is talking about Jesus is that Isaiah was already an ancient and significant religious text when the New Testament was written. One could reasonably conclude some of the events attributed to Jesus were written to fulfill previous prophesy.
He debated Dr. Michael Brown once, and it was such a humiliation that he's refused to share a platform with him ever since.
If you're students of the Old Testament, you will acknowledge that Israel-the majority, at least-rejected the prophets of the Hebrew Bible.
Moses, Samuel, Jeremiah, almost every one to a man was rejected by Israel.
If Jesus is the Messiah, if he is the son of God-and a prophet as well at the time of his life on earth-what would you lead you to conclude that he would have been accepted by Israel?
If you're a student of he Old Testament, you'd have to reach the opposite conclusion, in fact.
Actually observers of history will plainly see that there have always been Torah-observant Jews.
“Almost every one to a man” is quite an embellishment.
Get a good orthodox rabbi to study the Jewish Scriptures with— in G-d’s language of Hebrew. PM me and I’ll recommend for you.
There are 34 other books in the Old Testament, including many prophetic books that are completely ignored but are essential to understanding the nature of God.
I didn't say that every one of Israel rejected God...
Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
Only that the same arguments used to reject Jesus's Lordship could have-and were-used to reject the teachings of Moses, and the prophecies of Jeremiah and Micah and Hosea and other men sent by God to warn Israel and Judah.
You can't observe the Law today. Even if the Temple existed, it would still be impossible.
Even observing the 10 Commandments is impossible without a personal relationship with God.
I feel your love for your pastor and community who told you Jews can’t keep the Torah (G-d forbid) and your love of your personal god whose picture you’ve seen on a wall, contrary to the Ten Commandments you reference.
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