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Rabbi: Messiah Began on Sunday, Will Appear on Purim, and Will Finish With Israeli Elections
Breaking Israel News ^ | January 22, 2019 | Adam Eliyahu Berkowitz

Posted on 01/23/2019 8:18:48 AM PST by Ezekiel

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1 posted on 01/23/2019 8:18:48 AM PST by Ezekiel
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To: Ezekiel
“Rabbi Fish noted that first letters of each of Rabbi Kanievsky’s Hebrew names can be rearranged to spell “Moshiach.””

Stop me if you’ve heard this one already — priest and a rabbi were playing scrabble...

2 posted on 01/23/2019 8:34:13 AM PST by TheDandyMan
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To: TheDandyMan
Rabbi Kanievsky’s full given-name is Shmaryahu Yosef Chaim ben (the son of) Miriam. Rabbi Fish noted that first letters of each of Rabbi Kanievsky’s Hebrew names can be rearranged to spell “Moshiach.”

I can see there are letters there to make the name, but certainly not the first letters of each of his name.

3 posted on 01/23/2019 8:44:20 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong
First two of each? Subtract the Y carry the M ignore the I and presto! There it is, a firm and definite precedent.

I’m assuming in Hebrew it works out to “Moshiach”, but then again I don’t know anything about Hebrew.

4 posted on 01/23/2019 8:52:28 AM PST by TheDandyMan
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To: Robert DeLong

Letter games/word games/Gematria are a favorite pastime of people who like to make up things. Sometimes legit, but generally not.

Given some time, I could probably play with his name and come up with the first letters of “delusions of granduer”.


5 posted on 01/23/2019 8:55:17 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: TheDandyMan

This is a rerun story from July.

https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/111168/messiah-born-saturday/

and from 2016:

http://chabadinfo.com/moshiach/rabbi-kanievsky-the-messiah-is-already-here/


6 posted on 01/23/2019 9:02:26 AM PST by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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To: Robert DeLong; TheDandyMan
What they did, for anyone interested:

Shmaryahu Yosef Chaim ben Miriam

שמריהו יוסף חיים בן מרים

שיחמ

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משיח (Mashiach)

(I don't speak Hebrew; I mostly see how words and letters interact, the language plays, puns and acronyms and such.)

7 posted on 01/23/2019 9:05:28 AM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Ezekiel

(Excerpt) Read more at breakingisraelnews.com ...

Well, I’m glad you excerpted it. God forbid we read all about the Messiah all in one place, without ads and stuff. That’s what Ezekiel said to do, I’m sure. “Be sure to excerpt the news when it finally hits!”


8 posted on 01/23/2019 9:07:05 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Ezekiel

Does he believe this Messiah will rebuild the Temple and then declare himself God?

If so we might have “problems”.


9 posted on 01/23/2019 9:08:04 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Larry Lucido
Well, I’m glad you excerpted it. God forbid we read all about the Messiah all in one place, without ads and stuff. That’s what Ezekiel said to do, I’m sure. “Be sure to excerpt the news when it finally hits!”

I never can be sure what can be posted in full or excerpted, therefore I simply err on the side of caution. Besides, what news site *isn't* jammed up with ads these days. Can't win.

I would hope there is no insinuation of blog-pimping. I rarely post articles anyway.

10 posted on 01/23/2019 10:10:24 AM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Robert DeLong

M, S, Y, C(h) = Moschiach.

Remember, this is Hebrew, not English.


11 posted on 01/23/2019 10:15:06 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Ezekiel

Something else is stated in the Talmud which, loosely translated, says:

If you are planting a tree, and someone tells you that the Moschiach has arrived, finish planting the tree.

IOW, believe it when you see it, and until then continue on with your life.

There have been many false Messiahs, and many announcements by otherwise very learned people of the Moschiach’s imminent arrival...and we’re still waiting. Keep planting your trees, folks.


12 posted on 01/23/2019 10:18:10 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Ezekiel

Actually it was meant in jest. Should probably add a “sign” next time so as to make that clear. Don’t want to get smote by someone who just may be a prophet of yore who happens by.


13 posted on 01/23/2019 10:22:38 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Jewbacca
Letter games/word games/Gematria are a favorite pastime of people who like to make up things. Sometimes legit, but generally not.

The sums of words, or appearance of anagrams, acronyms etc. are simple facts. The trouble is in the flood of interpretation/speculation of what those facts might mean.

It's an important distinction because there are many patterns that intersect on multiple levels that can't be unseen, but are typically conflated with and or drowned out by meaningless or outright deceptive gibberish purporting to have "x" meaning.

Now consider the "Yavo Mashiach" code mentioned in the article. People are often attracted to such messages, however...

Has anyone seen what that skip is? Perhaps he mentioned it in Hebrew, but I've noticed that he desn't mention large skips unless it's a relevant number in and of itself (e.g. 358, 541 et al).

I should think it makes a big difference if multiple overlapping patterns and contexts converge in a small section of text (say, a couple verses), verses a letter string spanning many chapters.

What appears in close proximity (in long codes) I would not find meaningful, for the simple reason that the only witness to the veracity of the code is a code program. Nobody can verify by opening up the Bible on his desk.

That immediately fails the test of requiring multiple witnesses. Some can get all excited about a code they hear about and not think about that.

Anyway, what's the code on "the Messiah will come"?

34779

Yikes, even though it scores points for ending in 779.

I checked that myself by looking at the fuzzy text on the screen to see what the basic grid is. It's 8695, of which there's no word/phrase in his chart lining up with it. However, it does allow for a ginormous string of 34779 to appear as it does: 34779/4, then offset by the remainder.

So it's apparently in there, but if it involves blind trust in a software program, forget it. Besides, with all those letters that's a skimpy selection of "results" for a game of word search.

Such programs are certainly useful for finding what is already sitting in the plain text, just waiting to be noticed. It actually trains the mind to scope for interesting patterns in the first place.

Case in point is where Joseph is given his name "Tzaphnat Paaneach". There's much commentary already on the meaning of the name, which basically is a cipher-decipherer.

Ciphers, of course, involve encryption keys, and a certain spirit that perceives how to make connections. Code makers and breakers.

If you look at the text (verse 45), the last letters of the words of the phrase "shem Yosef Tzaphnat Paaneach" spell mafte'ach, "key", which is also at a skip of 4. No need for a program to see that. Maybe no one else finds that interesting or meaningful, but there it is anyway.

A program search indicates that this is the only place in the Tanakh this occurs, either as the beginning letters or end letters. (But again, who can count through the entire Bible to verify). That's not the main point anyway, but is good for perspective, as in how common is it.

In the reverse of the first letters, there is one place "key" also appears. It bridges Proverbs 15:31-32.

31. The ear that listens to the reproof of life abides among the wise:
32. He who refuses instruction despises his own soul; but he who hears reproof gets understanding:

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It is my perception that the Messiah is interested in rounding up observant folks... meaning, those who he can rely upon to do his work, because they already have a habit of carefully following instructions and paying attention to details, and who will ask for clarification when in doubt, rather than make assumptions.

It goes a long way in explaining why slackers will be particulary offended and caught off-guard at who merits the big job.

Kind of ironic that the giant code "Messiah will come" code requiring blind faith ends in 779.

Everything will be revealed as having simple, childlike meanings, the stuff a kindergartener will be able to grasp.

14 posted on 01/23/2019 10:36:15 AM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Ancesthntr
Thanks for adding that.

There have been many false Messiahs, and many announcements by otherwise very learned people of the Moschiach’s imminent arrival...and we’re still waiting.

An interesting point concerning frauds, is that fakers tend to deceive people by playing up to expectations and desires. They dupe people by telling them what they want to hear and what is the expectation based on all the learning.

Pretenders have all kinds of slick tactics to provide "proof" of their legitimacy. Also, they can count on popular and respected concensus to help cement their claims.

In opposite land, the real Messiah will appear out of "nowhere" from left field, from where no one thinks to look, thereby catching everyone off-guard in utter shock and disbelief.

... after he's finished planting his tree and putting away his tools for the day. :)

15 posted on 01/23/2019 11:08:02 AM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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Does he believe this Messiah will rebuild the Temple and then declare himself God? If so we might have “problems”.

The irony with that particular teaching is that it is *Christians* who worship a man as if he were God, yet somehow it's Jews who are expected to do that. Jews. The same people who have steadfastly refused to do fall for that forever, to the exasperation and even ire of those who attempt or have attempted to convince them otherwise.

It's a weird little world out there. Whoever is teaching that stuff ought not be surprised that they should have their arses handed to them in a most embarrassing way. What are they thinking?

16 posted on 01/23/2019 11:45:59 AM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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Miriam was, of course, the sister of Moses and Aaron. The mother of Jesus had the same name which is usually rendered as Maria in the New Testament, but as Mariam in Luke’s Gospel. Of course the vowels were not written, just the consonants (mem, resh, yod, mem). I wonder how the name was pronounced in Galilee in the first century by Hebrew or Aramaic speakers. Would “Mariam” have been right or was that just the way Greek speakers pronounced the name?


17 posted on 01/23/2019 12:16:08 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Ezekiel

I am not saying Gematria is not a real thing.

I am saying it is ripe for abuse and a favorite of charlatans, so one must eye anything not patently obvious with with an entire block of salt.

I would also note that it’s pretty common for Hasidic people to name kids in a manner to fit their desired Gematraic outcome.


18 posted on 01/23/2019 12:48:55 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Jewbacca
I see that we are not in disagreement. The example with the giant 34779 skip is where anything goes or can go, verses something tangible like a key located in a name that is all about deciphering mysteries. Anyone can "grab" the key; it's just sitting there waiting for someone to spot it, pick it up, and open a door. Which will then open ten more...

Truth always piles on in multiple, interconnected layers to the point where the simple root reality becomes glaringly obvious. I find great beauty there. Plus I always appreciate the humor factor, like that key. I mean that's just plain funny, and there's plenty more where that came from.

I would also note that it’s pretty common for Hasidic people to name kids in a manner to fit their desired Gematraic outcome.

I had considered that, but I do see a certain merit in the "making reality happen" theatre of operation.

I strongly suspect that reality is flipped over in similar fashion. Example, the general belief is that the Tower of Babel was a physical tower from which comparisions [to failed human endeavors] have been subsequently derived. This is the simple reading of the text so I am not debating it, however...

I find massive insight in considering that the account is primarily a parable that explains in simple terms [of people constructing a tower], all the stupid stuff humans would do afterwards in order to make a name for themselves.

That is in fact, the very function of a parable: to explain the complicated by means of a simple analogy.

Ergo, the Tower *is* the parable for the human history that hadn't even happened yet, a warning presented to mankind ahead of all foolishness.

As in God saying, "All the no good that you people are going to be up to I have already summed up ahead of time by this here parable, so give it up already."

:)

19 posted on 01/23/2019 2:20:12 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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הקפד לשתות את האובלטין שלך
20 posted on 01/23/2019 3:56:54 PM PST by PlateOfShrimp
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