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To: marshmallow

this is a very weird church that my brother and his wife attend regularly.

I am estranged from him now, so I can only relate tales of years ago.

1) They never had mass on Christmas or Christmas Eve.
2) They often had political speakers, including the Clintons, and regularly Dick Durbin (but never a conservative)
3) Abortion is OK
4) They refused to use the word “sin”, and it was removed from all of their books. My brother explained they thought the word alienated people.

I could go on and on, but this church is the main reason I am estranged to my brother. He is wacky, and a total lefty, who uses his own brand of religion to justify everything. He is fond of quoting scripture totally out of context to suit his argument and to tear others down.

I mean it, he will argue that Jesus would be all for abortion, because it eases suffering, and that sort of nonsense. He’s a whack job from that church.


8 posted on 08/17/2018 10:03:05 PM PDT by Bubba Gump Shrimp (A Liberal is someone who cannot accept that there is a Law of Unintended Consequences)
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To: Bubba Gump Shrimp

Too many people trust churches more than God. The desire for acceptance and community can be strong. That is how the sjws teachers, ministers, fake news, etc. Operates.


9 posted on 08/17/2018 10:11:40 PM PDT by TianaHighrider (Speak the TRUTH and SHAME the devil! * Fight SPEECH/MIND control *)
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To: Bubba Gump Shrimp

1) They never had mass on Christmas or Christmas Eve.

Outright lie.
Willow typically does about 10 Christmas services, with 4-5 on Christmas Eve day itself and the others 1+2 days before that.

They often had political speakers, including the Clintons, and regularly Dick Durbin (but never a conservative)

Again, another lie.
I attended Willow when Clinton spoke at the leadership summit, but did not attend the summit myself.
I also know the story surrounding his speaking there.
Oliver North was there, and protesters were out in front of the church by the road.
I WAS THERE for that.
Now maybe Durbin spoke at Willow after I left, but never while I was there.
Doing a quick search on the internet, I can’t find one instance of Durbin speaking at WCCC.
And no pictures either.
But maybe I didn’t look far enough.

I was there when Debra Norville was there.
And also Donna Rice.

Oliver North, Donna Rice and Debra Norville all claim Christ.
Never heard Durbin claim Christ.
(Not saying he hasn’t)
Clinton didn’t speak during church services, but at the annual church leadership summit, that 1000’s of church leaders throughout the country/world attend.
He didn’t speak on spiritual or moral issues, but on leadership issues, as he was POTUS at the time.
While I was there, politics were never brought from the stage.
If a speaker was “political” like Ollie or even Donna Hart, the subject wasn’t about politics, but about their walk with Christ.

3) Abortion is OK

When I went there, abortion wasn’t really discussed, because it wasn’t mentioned SPECIFICALLY in the Bible, the church avoided what it deemed a gray or overly controversial subject. ESPECIALLY when you have ministries that deal with the hurts of the past.
Abortion WAS NOT given an okay OR promoted... at least while I was there...
But I’ve been away for some years now.

4) They refused to use the word “sin”, and it was removed from all of their books. My brother explained they thought the word alienated people.

Pure unadulterated BS.
Though familiar with the “avoidance” of the word sin.
To say that it was removed from all their books is just outright garbage.

You have your OPINION
Based on how you view your brother.
I have FACTS from first hand accounts of my actually being there.


10 posted on 08/17/2018 11:07:46 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Bubba Gump Shrimp

And it wouldn’t surprise me to find out, in that case, that discussing the true lot of sinners — that our default destination is Hell — would be considered cruel by this church.


20 posted on 08/18/2018 2:52:45 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks ( The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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