Posted on 08/07/2018 3:51:25 AM PDT by Sontagged
John MacArthur has stated that one can take the mark of the beast, worshiping Satan and his image, and still be saved.
The Bible says the exact opposite.
He is exposed here as condemning himself unwittingly.
His friend and partner Phil Johnson of Grace to You along with Chris Rosebrough of Pirate Christian Radio and Fighting for the Faith also join in condemning MacArthur.
This is the fruit of personal favoritism; blind irrationality. John MacArthur propagates a damnable false teaching that is simply a lie. His sycophants Phil Johnson, Todd Friel, Justin Peters, etc. have all defended him saying that there is only one unpardonable sin; only one blasphemy of the holy spirit. After this, they all have some explaining to do.
See Jacob Prasch confront this teaching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHvk...
The Scriptures call Satan The Accuser of the Brothers.
It appears you are competing for his title with your posts.
You are mixing up posts that I didn’t make or say.
It’s all fine. If you personally want to parse “ands” and try to distinguish worshipping the Beast from taking the Mark of the Beast, go for it.
It doesn’t have anything to do with what MacArthur said. And I did the right thing as a Berean, I got the word out on MacArthurj’s heresy.
He preaches that it is okay to take the Mark of the Beast and this contradicts (directly) Scripture, no matter how you slice and dice it... it’s an eternal, unpardonable sin.
And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Huh?
I’m being a Berean.
John MacArthur says it’s okay for people to take the Mark of the Beast which directly contradicts Scripture.
If you can disprove what he says, go for it, but leave me out of it.
This is what we are supposed to be doing, as Jesus taught... beware deception and false teaching!
And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
I’m not sure how it’s misleading. Truth is we don’t know what the “mark” entails. It could be some type of gene-editing technology that could totally change the makeup of one’s humanity - thus nullifying any possibility of Salvation (like the Nephilim who were demonic hybrids during Noah’s time).
Here’s the KJV:
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.
I don’t think the “and” placed here means both, it means either or. To take the mark, means you will worship the beast.
Why would any true follower of Christ during the Tribulation take the mark to begin with? It’s like saying I”m going to toast to Caesar as god, but not drink the wine when the time comes.
NO! He does not!
"And I did the right thing as a Berean, I got the word out on MacArthurj’s heresy."
You are not a "Berean". Nor are you testing what someone says against the scripture. You are making up something they didn't say, testing THAT, and then pretending they are therefor wrong. At no time does John MacArthur say it is OK to take the mark of the beast.
Can a man who has raped 3 little kids repent and be saved? Yes! Does that mean it is OK to rape little kids? OF COURSE NOT!
Here is the text: the deceiver is MacArthur... compare what MacArthur says to the eternal Word:
“Now, the question is: IF you are living in the tribulation period and you take this mark, in other words you identify with the beasts empire (emphasis mine), will you still be able to be redeemed? And I think the answer to that is YES! Yes!”
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And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
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Where does God say there is the possibility of redemption after you take the Mark of the Beast?
Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
Even MacArthur's employees can't adequately explain this...
MacArthur says you can be redeemed after you take the Mark of the Beast.
The Bible says the opposite.
I’ll go with God.
Finally, and then I’m out, MacArthur says you can be redeemed after you take the Mark.
The Bible says “Nope”.
End of story.
“I’m being a Berean.”
Sorry, but your two posts I’m aware of are argumentative and accusatory and contentious and divisive.
Bereans were not that way.
Satan is.
“Now, the question is: IF you are living in the tribulation period and you take this mark, in other words you identify with the beasts empire (emphasis mine), will you still be able to be redeemed? And I think the answer to that is YES! Yes! Otherwise there would be no salvation of anybody in the end of the tribulation and you’ve got to have salvation of folks at the end of the tribulation. You’re going to have the Jews redeemed. You’re going to have according to Revelation 7 an innumerable number of Gentiles redeemed so many that can’t even be counted from across the face of the earth. So I don’t think the fact that someone takes that is a sentence to permanency anymore than you being a part of this world’s system once in your life means you have to be a part of the system all of your life. Especially when the 144,000 don’t start their ministry until the second half. That would make it a little tough!”
You may not agree with his reasoning, but it is a reasonable argument - that God’s Word says people will still be redeemed after the mark of the beast becomes universal.
And as a friend of MacArthur points out:
“Yes, Revelation 14:9–11 says, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” Clearly, receiving the mark is a sin that will send those who commit it to hell.
But the Bible also says, “Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9–10). In short, all sin carries the threat of eternal doom, and some particularly heinous sins have a built-in hardening effect that makes them particularly dangerous. Scripture occasionally singles out common sins that have this peculiarly soul-destroying effect.
On the other hand, only one very specific sin is ever said to be unforgivable. Any sin that is repented of is forgivable. Immediately after declaring all fornicators, drunkards, and swindlers unfit for heaven, the apostle writes, “Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God” (1 Corinthians 6:11). After saying, “Whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven,” Jesus famously forgave Peter, who denied Him before men.”
That is another reasonable point based on scripture. You may not agree, but it is a reasonable interpretation.
But you have gone further and said MacArthur teaches salvation by works (”It means a tyrannical works-based salvation”), which is blatantly untrue.
MacArthur’s argument flies in the face of scripture regardless how he qualifies it; he plainly states people can be redeemed AFTER they take the Mark of the Beast.
This is dangerous and damnable heresy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU3tjRq6tX4
There are numerous videos on this topic; please argue with all of these other pastors and Christians who are as outraged as I was.
He disagrees with YOUR interpretation of scripture. Over an issue none of us are very likely to confront. You DO realize that a number of people do not believe Revelations was meant to be a prediction of the future?
I have ZERO problem with your saying you disagree and why. That is perfectly fine. Calling someone a heretic, and claiming they teach works-based salvation, and damning them for being Calvinist or in any other way disagreeing with you? You are not the Judge!
I doubt anyone on this thread would blink an eye if you said, “I strongly disagree with John MacArthur!” I strongly disagree with Calvinists over points I think a lot more relevant than what may or may not happen at some future date in a Tribulation that may or may not be meant as a literal prediction of the future. But I also admit to knowing Calvinists who are saved by God’s grace.
And do not pretend MacArthur teaches we are saved by works. Or that it is “OK” for someone to take the mark of the beast, when he clearly believes it is a serious and dangerous sin.
Dude, I provided you with the TEXT of that video!
I’m not arguing MacArthur’s interpretation is correct. But to take that and denigrate a life-long ministry that has blessed thousands if not millions? And to deliberately distort what MacArthur said, to claim he says it is “OK” when he clearly does not?
False outrage by people who haven’t done nearly as much to proclaim Christ as MacArthur. I disagree with MacArthur on a number of issues, but I respect his ministry. Heck, I’ve benefited from it many times! I didn’t agree with Billy Graham all the time, but I’m thankful for his ministry!
I’ve commented a few times on this thread and some of what you are suggesting was already addressed…. First of all, I don’t believe that there is anything in scripture that suggests that ‘taking the mark’ is an activity that people do willingly. There might be some who willingly line up to get the mark applied but scripture doesn’t actually say that. Regardless, since you used the KJV, you should know that ‘taking the mark’ is not a phrase that is used, at least in this version. The phraseology used in Revelation 13:16 is “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:” I’d like to suggest that ‘causeth all’ has a connotation about it being forced on to someone whether he/she wants it or not. It may be that people are actually held down and constrained in some way and the mark is applied… it may mean that conditions are set up that people simply have to take it because the consequences of not having it will result in a terrible outcome. The clue for this may be the following verse where it is noted that without the mark, one can’t buy food… or anything for that matter. Not being able to buy food does fit the use of the word ‘causeth’ so perhaps that is how it happens. The other word to note in this section is the word ‘all’…. Every last person on the planet gets the mark.
Regarding your comment concerning the word ‘and’… when in doubt, the correct interpretation is likely the simplest and what is explicitly stated in this case, it means both. If it meant to say ‘either’, why wasn’t that word used? The word ‘either’ is used in many other instances in the KJV.
Scripture very clearly says that one can’t serve both God and Satan…. at least not at the same time. This being the case, who are the people in Revelation 6:11 who receive the white robes? If all people on the planet have a mark and if (as you suggest) this means that these are beast worshippers, doesn't this mean that there no people who qualify for the white robes? And yet people with 'white robes' are clearly identified here....Who do you think these people are?
Actually Paul teaches that “we are the judges” of those in the Church.
And if we are to judge, we are to judge righteously, especially when Scripture is being broken.
There is no tricky interpretation problem here.
MacArthur plainly teaches that if you take the Mark of the Beast, you can be redeemed.
This is in DIRECT CONFLICT with the Bible.
End of story.
Go argue with the other people online that have video after video on this topic, not me.
What is your answer to the question I posed at the bottom of post 116? Who are those in 'white robes'?
As I’ve written, I have had to pick up the pieces in several people’s broken lives by the apocalypse of the loveless hopeless Calvinism in MacArthur’s church.
The horror stories are just that, as many people know.
And now this man is preaching that you can be REDEEMED after you take the Mark of the Beast? This is DANGEROUS and DAMNABLE heresy.
His idiotic false teaching deserves to be broadcast far and wide, with Christ’s approval. Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the Lord.
2 Therefore thus saith the Lord God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the Lord.
Who are those who “do not love their lives unto death” and who are beheaded at the time of the End?
What do you think the punishment for not taking the Mark of the Beast shall be?
I think it is pretty obvious. Satan must have free will consent of those who take the Mark. If you don’t consent, you must “not love your life unto death”.
MacArthur is pushing heresy, and it is dangerous. I can’t believe all these far fetched mea culpas.
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