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To: hecticskeptic

I’m not sure how it’s misleading. Truth is we don’t know what the “mark” entails. It could be some type of gene-editing technology that could totally change the makeup of one’s humanity - thus nullifying any possibility of Salvation (like the Nephilim who were demonic hybrids during Noah’s time).

Here’s the KJV:

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.

I don’t think the “and” placed here means both, it means either or. To take the mark, means you will worship the beast.

Why would any true follower of Christ during the Tribulation take the mark to begin with? It’s like saying I”m going to toast to Caesar as god, but not drink the wine when the time comes.


104 posted on 08/07/2018 10:10:06 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Why would any true follower of Christ during the Tribulation take the mark to begin with?

I’ve commented a few times on this thread and some of what you are suggesting was already addressed…. First of all, I don’t believe that there is anything in scripture that suggests that ‘taking the mark’ is an activity that people do willingly. There might be some who willingly line up to get the mark applied but scripture doesn’t actually say that. Regardless, since you used the KJV, you should know that ‘taking the mark’ is not a phrase that is used, at least in this version. The phraseology used in Revelation 13:16 is “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:” I’d like to suggest that ‘causeth all’ has a connotation about it being forced on to someone whether he/she wants it or not. It may be that people are actually held down and constrained in some way and the mark is applied… it may mean that conditions are set up that people simply have to take it because the consequences of not having it will result in a terrible outcome. The clue for this may be the following verse where it is noted that without the mark, one can’t buy food… or anything for that matter. Not being able to buy food does fit the use of the word ‘causeth’ so perhaps that is how it happens. The other word to note in this section is the word ‘all’…. Every last person on the planet gets the mark.

Regarding your comment concerning the word ‘and’… when in doubt, the correct interpretation is likely the simplest and what is explicitly stated in this case, it means both. If it meant to say ‘either’, why wasn’t that word used? The word ‘either’ is used in many other instances in the KJV.

Scripture very clearly says that one can’t serve both God and Satan…. at least not at the same time. This being the case, who are the people in Revelation 6:11 who receive the white robes? If all people on the planet have a mark and if (as you suggest) this means that these are beast worshippers, doesn't this mean that there no people who qualify for the white robes? And yet people with 'white robes' are clearly identified here....Who do you think these people are?

116 posted on 08/07/2018 11:00:54 AM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Why would any true follower of Christ during the Tribulation take the mark to begin with? It’s like saying I”m going to toast to Caesar as god, but not drink the wine when the time comes.

I don't think anyone is saying they could or would. The question is can anyone who has taken the mark later repent and become a true follower of Christ?

162 posted on 08/08/2018 9:06:33 AM PDT by Gil4 (And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw)
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