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LGBT ‘Catholic’ groups:If Pope can reverse ...teaching on death penalty, why not homosex?
LifeSite News ^ | August 3, 2018 | Dorothy Cummings McLean

Posted on 08/03/2018 9:55:47 PM PDT by unlearner

LEXINGTON, Kentucky, Pro-homosexual dissident 'Catholic' groups see in Pope Francis' ‘changing’ of the Church’s teaching on the death penalty the hope that the Church will one day also change its teaching against homosexuality.

New Ways Ministry called the change in the Catechism proof that "Church teaching can change."

"It's important for Catholic advocates for LGBT equality to take note of this change because for decades Catholic opponents of LGBT equality argued that it is impossible to change church teaching. They often pointed to the fact that condemnations of same-sex relationships were inscribed in the Catechism, and so were not open for discussion or change. Yet, the teaching on the death penalty is in the Catechism, too, and, in fact, to make this change in teaching, it was the text of the Catechism that Francis changed," the group stated on its website.

New Ways Ministry, which works to "promote the acceptance of LGBT people," said that Pope Francis' move will help advance "LGBT equality" in a number of ways.

"First, we now have a clear, explicit contemporary example of church teaching changing, and also a look into how it can be done: with a papal change to the Catechism," it stated.

"Second, we can see that the process that brought about this change has been decades of theological debate and discussion, and not just a papal whim. That means the theological and even ecclesial discussions and debates right now about LGBT people have great potential to shape future changes in church teaching in regard to those topics," it added.

The pro-gay group was not the only one to see the significance of Pope Francis' rewrite of the Catechism.

In a post that appeared yesterday on Twitter, Lexington-based “Fortunate Families” wrote:

The church cannot change its teaching. That is what so many others say about other topics, for example regarding LGBTQ persons. But doctrine develops. Today’s news is a sterling example.

"The idea first floated by [the] Pope on Catechism’s 25th anniversary last fall to signify development of doctrine,” the tweet continued, “rescript issued today sees Francis issue edit of the 1994 official text, now deeming capital punishment ‘inadmissible’-- the new formulation.”

“Development of doctrine”, legitimately used to describe how the Catholic Church refines and expands, but never undermines or rejects, what was taught earlier, has now been interpreted by some to mean the erasure of settled Church teaching.

Critics say Pope Francis attempted to do that yesterday when he promulgated a new teaching concerning the death penalty in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, saying that it was “inadmissible.” The perennial teaching of the Church, based on Scripture and unanimously accepted by the Church Fathers and every pope until Francis, is that legitimate civil authority may impose the death penalty on a malefactor. Although both Saint John Paul II and Benedict XVI were strongly opposed to capital punishment--and John Paul’s Catechism strongly circumscribed it--neither pope denied this principle.

Pope Francis’ innovation has already become a club for American liberals to beat conservatives with. Jane Fleming Kleeb, Chair of the Democratic Party in Nebraska, has tweeted “Let's be clear Nebraskans, @GovRicketts is going against the teachings of the church. We can change leaders by voting different on Nov. 6--Democrats are against the death penalty.”

Fortunate Families, founded in 1992 by Mary Ellen and Casey Lopata, the Catholic parents of a same-sex attracted man, is a group of Catholic religious and laypeople who dissent on authentic Church teaching regarding sexuality and marriage. From 2010 until this July Fortunate Families was part of a coalition with Call to Action, the banned Dignity, and the censured New Ways ministry.

Astonishingly, since November 2017 Bishop John Stowe, OFM of Lexington has served as the dissident group’s “ecclesial advisor”. Stowe is one of the five bishops who have endorsed Fr. James Martin’s pro-LGBT book Building a Bridge. The bishop was appointed to the Lexington diocese by Pope Francis in 2015.

Fortunate Families was last in the news when a Lexington Catholic church stretched an LGBT flag across its front lawn. The first executive director of the group, Stan “JR” Zerkowski, is a parishioner at St. Paul’s parish, and told media that he hoped the banner got wide publicity.

“This is a church that is open to all people and I hope this sign gets that across,” he said in the TV report. “I don’t think a Catholic Church has ever had a sign like this before in front of it during Pride Week or any other time. However, in other parts of the country we see this regularly.”

The banner read “LBGTQ+ Catholic /Family, Friends & Allies/all are welcome”, insinuating that at other Catholic churches Catholics who experience same-sex desires or suffer from gender dysphoria are barred from the worship of God.

Former homosexual Joseph Sciambra retweeted the group’s Twitter message, saying “Bishop Stowe’s ‘Fortunate Families’ believe that the [Catechism of the Catholic Church] will also ‘change’ in terms of homosexuality. FF operatives are embedded within several dioceses around the US.”

Sciambra, a survivor of the San Francisco 1990s “gay scene”, is dedicated to helping people with same-sex attractions avoid being trapped in what he says is a dangerous way of life.


TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; homosexual; homosexualagenda; religiousleft
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To: Syncro

One can paint happy little trees using a very broad brush.


361 posted on 08/06/2018 4:05:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Syncro

Prove you’re telling the truth then. You have made accusations about freeper FRs and it is easy to prove me wrong if what you say is true. You refuse to do so. Why is that? Because you just made it up from whole cloth thinking no one would challenge you?


362 posted on 08/06/2018 4:05:59 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Syncro
I have NEVER been with miss marmelstein.

Have you never had a Speed Dating bad experience?

It would probably be a similar experience.

'Play Misty for Me'

363 posted on 08/06/2018 4:08:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: miss marmelstein
He’s going to wait until I’m more civil, lol.


364 posted on 08/06/2018 4:12:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide

Still no answer. That says a lot.


365 posted on 08/06/2018 4:13:17 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide
You defended non-Catholics posting on Catholic caused threads with this, "Some times OTH (Other Than Catholic) posters post on Catholic caucused threads because many of them don’t qualify for the Catholic caucus designation."

Defend and explain are two differing words.

366 posted on 08/06/2018 4:14:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
It's not up to a poster to determine what qualifies as a caucus.

Really?

Then it's no WONDER that so many Catholic caucus threads get abused by Catholics apparently not knowing the rules!

367 posted on 08/06/2018 4:15:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums
A few years ago, a long time non-Catholic Freeper posted some threads on the Religion Forum that were positive about the Reformation and Evangelical/Protestant doctrines in opposition to Roman Catholicism and some RCs were so incensed by them they were able to get the threads deleted AND the poster zotted.

So true!

The Catholics of FR back then had a LOT of POWER in the Moderating arena!!

They pine for the old days; in more ways than one!

368 posted on 08/06/2018 4:18:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums
Dang LC! Looks like someone has a “thing” for you. ;o)

 


Aw...  shucks...
 

Even Limbaugh; lovable little fuzzball that he is; has admirers.
369 posted on 08/06/2018 4:21:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
...just quoting your own words.



370 posted on 08/06/2018 4:23:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
No false interpretations, just quoting your own words.

And yet; when JESUS says...

Call no man father...

371 posted on 08/06/2018 4:24:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
I wouldn’t mind the thread being pulled. It’s a duplicate, deliberatly posted within four hours of the original, to circumvent a caucus.

circumvent ??

Poor baby; just can't STAND them un-pretty Prots getting to talk about what some Catholics do not want them to?

372 posted on 08/06/2018 4:29:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
For a total of 42 threads posted in less than five days.

Dang!!!

In my almost 20 years here; my record shows:

You've posted a total of 51 threads and 167,755 replies.


373 posted on 08/06/2018 4:32:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide

Asking someone if they were a Christian to have them so *No, I’m a Catholic.*


374 posted on 08/06/2018 4:33:44 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: boatbums

I know.

Lots of change in these few years.


375 posted on 08/06/2018 4:34:24 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Syncro
Now one of their own posts almost daily hate filled articles and posts about their pope and it is OK

The pendulum swings...

376 posted on 08/06/2018 4:34:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
All Catholics pray for the pope at every mass.

Golly!

It appears than Catholic prayers aren't very effective!

377 posted on 08/06/2018 4:36:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone
Their own canon law says they are not to publicly incite hatred toward the Apostolic See.

How DARE you quote our own rules back to us; for we have had great catechism classes!!

--Wannabe_Catholic_Dude(Hail Apparition)



378 posted on 08/06/2018 4:38:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: miss marmelstein
Does a smoke signal go out behind the scenes?

We have a POPE!!



379 posted on 08/06/2018 4:42:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
You just said you don't check as to what qualifies as a caucus.

I said no such thing.

You are absolutely correct!

What YOU said was...

It's not up to a poster to determine what qualifies as a caucus.


Ain't it cool!?

380 posted on 08/06/2018 4:46:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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